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Hi! I recently found this amazing commentary from a rookie-linux user, explaining to the whole newbie community the diference between Linux and Windows
(Note for mods and admins: I didnt wrote this, thats why i didn't put this in the correct category, also because this is the only place for no post count, also PLEASE dont remove this post, is very useful to anyone who want to switch from windows to linux) Thanks.
If, as I do, you spend any amount of time on a Linux forum, you'll eventually grow exasperated, as I did, by the number of posts that run something like this:
"Hi! I've been using Linux for a few days, and it's mostly great. But, it's a shame that [something or other] doesn't work like it does on Windows. Why don't all the developers completely rewrite all the software so it acts more like Windows? I'm sure Linux would get lots more users if they did!"
You may even have had a go at answering these questions, only to be shot down in flames by a Linux newbie who takes it as read that his idea, based on years of experience with a different OS plus a few hours on Linux, is revolutionarily brilliant, and you only don't like it because you're an "old-school Linux user" who thinks that GUIs are the spawn of the Devil and everybody should be forced to stick to the CLI.
This article is aimed at explaining to those newbies exactly why their ideas tend to get flamed rather than embraced.
First and foremost, the most cherished argument: "If Linux did this, it would get lots more people converting from Windows!"
So, allow me to explain something that is fundamental to understanding Linux: The Linux community is not trying to provide the average Windows user with a replacement OS. The goal of Linux is not "Linux on every desktop".
Really. It honestly isn't.. Yes, they're both an OS. Yes, they can both be used for the same things. But that makes Linux an alternative, not a replacement. It might seem an insignificant distinction, but it's actually a vitally important one.
Linux <=> Windows is like Motorbikes <=> Cars: Both are vehicles that get you from A to B via the roads. But they're different shapes, different sizes, have different controls, and they work in fundamentally different ways. They are not freely interchangeable. They have different uses and different strengths & weaknesses, and you should pick whichever is appropriate, not pick one and expect it to do everything that the other can do.
Somebody who drives a car might be sitting in a long queue of traffic someday and see a motorbike go sailing past him. He might envy the biker's ability to largely ignore something that is a crippling problem to a car. If that driver then said "I know all about cars, so I must know all about motorbikes!" then he'd be wrong.
If that driver bought a bike and then found that he was confused by the accelerator being a hand-controlled twist-grip instead of a foot-controlled pedal, he might complain that motorbikes should be fitted with a gas pedal.
· If that driver had a wife and two kids, he might find the bike's single passenger capacity a flaw. He might suggest that bikes be re-built so they could carry four people, two abreast.
· If that driver were to try and drive away, only to find that he fell over because he wasn't used to having to keep balance, he might suggest that bikes should be re-designed with four wheels.
· If the driver were to find himself leaning around the corners, he might suggest bikes should be fitted with stabilisers to keep them upright when cornering.
· If the driver wanted to keep his bike from being stolen, he might complain that there were no doors to lock potential thieves out, making his bike much more likely to be stolen than a car.
· If the driver found a crash helmet an encumbrance, he might suggest that an airbag in the bike's handlebars could be fitted as an alternative to the annoying helmet.
And in every case, he would be wrong. Because he thinks that a motorbike replaces a car, he thinks it can and should do everything a car can do. He thinks it can work in the same way that a car does, that 'missing' car features can just be grafted on.
In the same way, well-meaning Linux newcomers make suggestions about making Linux more like what they're used to. And they get nowhere, for all the same reasons. Linux and Windows might both be used for the same purposes, but so are a car & motorbike. That doesn't mean you can swap directly from one to the other, and it doesn't mean features can or should be swapped directly from one to the other.
Too many people think that migrating from Windows to Linux is like switching from a BMW to a Mercedes. They think that the controls should be the same, their experience should transfer directly, and all differences should be largely cosmetic. They think that "I need a car to use a road, I need an OS to use a computer. Cars all work the same way, therefore OSes should all work the same way." But this is not accurate. "I need a vehicle to use a road, I need an OS to use a computer. I know how to drive a car, I'm ignorant about motorbikes. I know how to use Windows, I'm ignorant about Linux." - this is accurate.
A Windows user must realize that he's only an experienced Windows user, not an experienced computer user; just like a car driver is only a car driver, not an all-road-vehicles driver. A Windows user on Linux must realize that he has just become a novice again, just like a car driver on a motorbike. A Windows user must be willing to learn that there are different ways of accomplishing the same task, just as a car driver must get used to the handlebars replacing a wheel and the need for a crash helmet he never had to use before. And they have to be prepared to accept that "different" does not mean "inferior".
This simple fact causes great difficulty for the more established Windows users. They come to Linux with many Windows habits ingrained and an attitude of "I know exactly how to use a computer, thank you very much." The problem is, they don't. They only know how to use Windows. When they come to a different OS, these "power users" can be the ones who have the worst problems: They have far more to unlearn.
Where a newbie will just say "I don't know" and start exploring or asking on forums, the Windows Power User will say "I know how to do this, I just do this, this, this, and then. . . It doesn't work! Stupid OS!" And then they'll say "If knowledgeable me couldn't get it working, a newbie will stand no chance! Linux is nowhere near ready for desktop use!". They don't realise that all their knowledge is working against them, causing them to have more problems than the less knowledgeable users. They've made the mistake of thinking Linux is different software doing the same thing as Windows, when it's actually different software doing different things. It's not doing a bad job of the same tasks, it's doing a good job of alternative tasks.
Linux is an alternative to Windows, but not a replacement. It will never be a replacement, because it has incompatible goals. Microsoft's goal is to get their software onto as many PCs as possible, as their priority is profit. Linux has no such goal, because Linux is free. It has a different priority.
To understand this is to understand FOSS . It's perfectly understandable that Linux newbies don't understand it yet - they're new to it. They're used to thinking in terms of proprietary software. So let me explain it:
Typical FOSS software is created by somebody who looks around, doesn't find any pre-existing software he likes, and so writes his own. Then, because he's such a nice guy, he throws open the source and says to the world "Help yourself!". He can do this, because it costs nothing to duplicate software, so it costs him no more to give it to the whole world than it would to keep it to himself. He doesn't suffer by giving his software away.
However, the important thing to remember is: He doesn't benefit from giving his software away, either. Whether it gets used by one person, or by one billion, makes no difference to the developer. Oh, sure, he gets the satisfaction of knowing he's made a popular product: The number of people using it can be a nice ego boost; a way, if you will, of keeping score. But it doesn't make him any money: It's FOSS.
If the software is a success, other people get interested in it, and they help improve it. That's the biggest advantage of FOSS: Every user is a potential developer. Everybody can chip in and do their part in making software work better, do more, be less buggy. It's great when a piece of software attracts a community of developers. But it's great for the software. It makes the software better. It doesn't make the developer richer. It just creates more demands on his time.
FOSS is the exact opposite of proprietary software like Windows: FOSS is all about the software. It's not about the number of end users. Software that works well but has only a few users is considered a failure by commercial software standards, but a success by FOSS ones.
FOSS is about making good quality software, software that can DO things. If you want to use it, you're expected to invest time in learning how to use it. It was created and given to you, free of charge, by people who invested a lot of their own time in it for no personal gain. The least you could do to repay their contribution is invest a little time of your own before you complain that it doesn't work like the parallel Windows software.
"Aha, now I've got you," says a newbie smugly. "There are Linux projects with the goal of replacing Windows, not just being an alternative."
It's easy to see where that idea comes from. KDE and Gnome, for instance, provide a desktop environment that's far more Windows-like than typical Linux window managers and the CLI. Linspire is a distro based almost entirely around the idea of making Linux Windows-like.
However, paradoxically, these prove my point better than they prove the newbie's.
Why? Because these projects are normal FOSS projects, revolving entirely around making the software better. The only difference is, one of the definitions of quality in these projects is "How easily can a Windows user use it?"
As soon as you factor this in, you can't help but agree that these are 100% typical Linux, with the sole aim of improving software. These are projects made by even-more-selfless-than-usual Linux developers: They aren't making software for their own use, as they know Linux very well. Instead, they're making software entirely for other people's benefit: Software that makes the transition from Windows to Linux easier.
These developers have recognised that there are Windows users who want to move to Linux, and they've put a lot of effort into creating a Linux environment which Windows users find comfortably familiar. But they haven't done so to try and replace Windows, though the end result might give that impression. The end goal is what makes the difference: The goal is not to make a Windows replacement; the goal is to ease the Windows-user's transition to Linux.
It's not uncommon to see community hostility towards these projects. Some of it for rational, understandable reasons ("KDE is a resource hog, so use Fluxbox") but some seems to be an irrational, hostile, "Windows-like software is bad" attitude. This isn't, actually, an anti-MS or anti-Windows attitude. Instead, it's the far more comprehensible dislike of what isn't understood.
The 'typical' Linux user is a hobbyist: He uses computers because computers are fun, programming is fun, hacking is fun. And Linux is a far better OS for a hacking hobbyist: He can take it apart to its most fundamental level, and reassemble it exactly as he sees fit.
However, the current influx of Linux users has a large percentage of non-hobbyist non-hackers. They want a computer that Just Works, a computer that works like Windows. They aren't interested in spending time setting up Linux to make it work the way they want it, they want it to work like that out-of-the-box.
And that's perfectly okay, but from the typical Linux user's perspective, this is like somebody who wants a Lego car that comes pre-assembled and glued together so it can't come apart. It is alien to their understanding. The only way they can react is with a baffled "Why would anybody want that?"
It's baffling. If you want a ready-made model car, buy a toy car. If you want a car you can build and take apart, buy Lego. Why would anybody want a Lego car that can only be used as a toy car? The whole point of Lego is that you have fun assembling it yourself!
This is how a typical Linux user reacts to the "Why can't it Just Work?" brigade: "If you want it to Just Work, use Windows. If you want to hack it, use Linux. Why do you want to switch to Linux if you have no interest in taking advantage of its open source nature?"
The answer, usually, is that they don't actually want to move to Linux. They just want to get away from Windows: They're running away from viruses; they're fleeing malware; they're striving to be free of restrictions on how they use their paid-for software; they're trying to escape from the clutches of the E.U.L.A. They aren't trying to get into Linux, they're trying to get out of Windows. Linux is simply the best-known alternative.
More on that later. . .
You might think "Okay, that explains why developers don't make a deliberate effort to make their software work like Windows. But surely Linux software could be given a GUI that's Windows-user-friendly without it interfering with FOSS principles?"
There are a few reasons why this isn't the case.
Firstly: Do you really think that somebody who creates a piece of software deliberately gives it a lousy user interface?
When somebody devotes a large chunk of his own time to create a piece of software, he will make the user interface (UI) as good as possible. The UI is a hugely important part of the software: there's no point having functionality if you can't access it via the UI. You might not know what it is, but there is always a reason why the UI works the way it does. That reason? Because it is the best UI the creator could create.
Before you insist that a more Windows-like UI would make the software better, bear this fact in mind: The creator of this software, a coder who, by definition, knows far more than you do about this piece of software, doesn't agree with you. He might be wrong, but the odds are against it.
Secondly: There already ARE nice, Windows-user-friendly GUI frontends available. I can't think of any function off the top of my head that you can't control via a GUI, no matter how high-level. You can compile a kernel (make xconfig), set up your firewall (fwbuilder), partition your hard drive (qtparted). . . it's all there, pretty, interactive, intuitive, and user-friendly.
But the 'release cycle' of Linux isn't like Windows. You don't get the finished, highly-polished GUI package released right from the start. GUIs add complexity and no functionality to software. A developer doesn't sit down and design a pretty GUI that does nothing, he sits down and creates a piece of software that does what he needs it to do.
The first thing a piece of software does is be usable from the command line interface (CLI). It will probably have all sorts of invocation options and maybe a lengthy configuration file. This is how it starts out, because it's functionality that's required. Everything else comes later. And even when software has a nice GUI, it's important to remember it can still usually be controlled fully from the CLI and the config files.
This is because the CLI has many advantages: The CLI is universal. Every Linux system has a CLI. Every executable can be run from the CLI. It's easy to operate software via the CLI remotely.
None of these are true of the GUI: Some Linux machines don't have the X11 windowing system installed; Some software has no GUI; Some software is not available from GUI menus; It's often not easy or practical to use a GUI tool remotely.
Lastly, multiple GUI frontends can exist to do the same job, and there's no telling which you may have installed.
So do remember, if you ask "How do I. . ?", you'll mostly be told how to do it via the CLI. That doesn't mean that it can only be done from the CLI. It just reflects the relative importance that the GUI has compared to the CLI in the development of a software project.
Windows is totally GUI-centric. It's a GUI-based OS with a lousy (but soon to improve) CLI. There's pretty much no such thing as non-GUI Windows software. That tends to make people think of the GUI as a vital and integral part of software. But in Linux, software gets released as soon as it's functional. Only after it's become stable, reasonably bug-free, and feature-rich, does it become worth adding a GUI.
Try thinking about software without a helpful GUI as a "sneak preview" rather than a finished product. FOSS is very rarely 'finished', it's always being improved. In time, it will be made user-friendly. But most of the time, it's more important to make it work better than make it 'feel' better. Be glad you've got the functionality long before all the wimps who need a good GUI, instead of demanding tomorrow's software today. FOSS is more of a journey than a destination.
The last thing you have to bear in mind is, GUIs for software will often be a separate piece of software. It may even have been developed completely independently of the original piece of software, by completely separate developers. If you want a GUI, it's not unlikely that it will be a separate installation, rather than all one piece.
This does, admittedly, mean an extra step to get that elusive, 'Windowsy' GUI behaviour, but that shouldn't detract from the fact that you can, right now, do just about anything you really want to via a pretty, "just like Windows" GUI. You just have to remember: a GUI is usually the LAST step, and not the first. Linux doesn't do form over function.
Thirdly: Linux is deliberately designed for the well-informed, knowledgeable user, rather than the ignorant beginner. This is for two reasons:
Ignorance may be bliss, but it's also short-lived. Knowledge is eternal. It might take days, weeks, or months to get your knowledge level up from "Linux newbie" to "average Linux user", but once it's there, you've got years of Linux use ahead of you.
Putting in lots of code to make software easier for newcomers would be like permanently bolting stabiliser wheels to all bicycles. They might make it easier right at the start, but after that. . ?
You wouldn't buy a bicycle with stabilisers on it now, I'm sure. And not because you're some anti-user-friendly freak. No, it would be because they're useless to you, and useless to anybody other than a beginner, and all they'd do is get in the way.
No matter how good software is, it's only as good as its user. The most secure door in the world is no barrier to thieves if you leave the window open, the door unlocked, or the keys in the lock. The most perfectly-tuned engine in the world won't get very far if you fill it with diesel fuel instead of petrol.
Linux puts all power in the hands of the user. That includes the power to break it. Nobody wins in that situation. The only way to keep Linux working well is to learn enough to know what you're doing. Making it easier for a user to meddle with functionality he doesn't understand would just make it more likely he'll break something by accident.
Fourthly: Where, in any of the above text, did you see a way that FOSS would actually benefit from attracting lots of typical Windows users?
Take your time. Re-read it, if you like. I'll wait.
The guiding principle of Linux and FOSS is "make good software". It is not "Make Windows-replacing software". The only thing a horde of typical Windows users will contribute to Linux is complaints. What will they complain? "It doesn't work like this on Windows."
No, it doesn't. If it worked like Windows, Linux would suck. It would be an inferior copy that nobody would use. The reason people are so passionately fond of Linux is that it doesn't work like Windows. It doesn't do everything for you, it doesn't assume you're a perpetual ignorant newbie, it doesn't hide all the inner workings from you.
Windows chauffeurs you around; Linux hands you the keys and puts you in the driver's seat. If you can't drive, that's your problem. And your fault. Plenty of people will help you learn if you ask. And if you make a suggestion that's the equivalent of fitting cruise control, you might get somewhere: This leaves the driver in control, but takes some of the effort out. But you'll get very short shrift if you try and convince anybody that what Linux really, really needs is a chauffeur.
"But it would get Linux so much more mainstream!", the newbie cries.
It might well do. But how many Linux developers would benefit from Linux going mainstream? Linux is free, as in beer. None of the people creating Linux profit from it gaining a bigger userbase. None of the people on the Linux forums profit from it gaining a bigger userbase. Linux's aim is not "gain a bigger userbase" - that's the goal of proprietary software.
Linux's goal is to make a really good operating system. Developers are busy adding features, removing bugs, and improving existing implementations. They're not busy putting up billboards advertising how good their stuff is. That should tell you something about where their priorities are.
And look at what this approach has done to Linux's userbase: It's made it grow. Linux started out tiny, and has become huge. The reason it has attracted such widespread acclaim? Because its focus has always been on quality. The users attracted to Linux are users who want the freedom and quality that only FOSS can give them. Linux became big because it didn't care how big it got. Developers focussed solely on making it work, and work well, and so they attracted users who wanted an OS that worked, and worked well.
To suddenly throw that all away and focus instead on making Linux all about replacing Windows would be to kill the very thing that has made Linux what it is. There are corporations out there that have seen Linux's growth, and want to cash in on it. They're frustrated by the GPL, which makes it very hard for them to sell Linux at Microsoft prices. "Linux will die if it stays open," they say, "as nobody can make money off it like that."
They don't realize that making Linux proprietary would be killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Linux became big because it was FOSS, and nobody was trying to make it a Windows substitute. Linux is thriving because it's fighting Windows on a front that Microsoft can never defeat it on: Open-ness and quality.
To most Windows users, Linux is an inferior Windows copy. It has less apparent functionality, less integration, and lots more complexity. To that type of user, Linux is seen as a bad OS. And correctly so: It doesn't meet their needs. Their needs are an OS that's very simple to use and does everything without them needing to learn anything.
Windows is created for non-tech users. The widespread perception amongst those users is that Linux is hard to use. This is not the case, but it's an understandable misconception.
Linux is actually blissfully easy to use. Genuinely. It is really easy to use. The reason it isn't perceived this way? Because the term "ease of use" has been so badly distorted. In common usage, "easy to use" now means "easy to do something without knowing beforehand how to do it". But that's not really "easy to use", is it? That's "easy to figure out". It's like the difference between:
a safe with a notice above it saying "You unlock this safe by turning the dial to 32 then 64 then 18 then 9, then turn the key and lift the handle up"
and
a car that can be unlocked by pressing the remote control "unlock" button.
It's far easier to unlock the car, right? One button from anywhere near the car, opposed to numerous highly-specific dial-turns. However, it's easier for somebody who doesn't know how to unlock either to get the safe open than the car: the safe has clear instructions in place, while the car just has buttons that aren't even attached to the car.
Linux is the same. It's easy to use if you know how to use it. It's easy to use, but it's not always easy to learn. Only if you are willing to invest the time in learning Linux will you find it easy. Inescapably, the more you break a task down into simple steps, the more steps you have to take to accomplish that task.
As a really simple example, take this arbitrary exercise: You want to move five lines (paragraphs) from the middle of a text document to the end.
In MS Word; MS WordPad; or MS Notepad; all "user-friendly" Windows text editors, the quickest way to do this is:
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-X
- Ctrl-End
- Ctrl-V
(That's assuming you use the keyboard. Otherwise, you need some Click-and-Drag mouse operations and a reliable autoscroll.)
In vi, however, it is:
- d5d
- Shift-g
- p
(Or if you know vi really well, just ":1,5m$" will also work!)
Vi, which is about as "user-unfriendly" as it gets, beats Microsoft's offerings hands down. Why? Because vi was designed for functionality, while Microsoft design to be "user-friendly". Microsoft break everything down into easy steps, and so it takes far more steps to accomplish the same task.
This makes vi far quicker and easier to use for virtually all text-editing tasks. Just so long as you know how to use it. If you don't know "d5d" means "Place five lines of text in the buffer, and delete them from the document" then you're going to struggle to make vi work. But if you DO know, then you're going to fly along.
So when some newbie sees how fast and easily an experienced vi user can do stuff, he readily agrees that vi is superior to Word for text editing. Then he tries to use it himself. He starts it up, gets a screen full of ~s, and when he types, nothing appears on the screen.
He finds out about the text-entry and command modes, and starts trying to use vi with a limited knowledge of it's functions. He struggles, as there are so many things he has to learn before he can make vi work. Then he complains "vi would be much better if it was as easy to use as Word!"
But the real problem is "I don't know how to use vi and can't be bothered to learn." But that would mean the problem was with him, so he blames his problems on the software instead. Never mind all the thousands of people who are happily using vi without any problems: It's too hard to use, and must be changed!
And believe me, if he can make a text editor that is as "user-friendly" as Word and as functional as vi, he'll be met with nothing but applause. In fact, he'll probably be awarded the Nobel Prize For Extreme Cleverness, as nobody else has been able to do it yet. But just whining about vi being hard to use will be met with derision, because there's no problem with vi, the problem is with him.
It's like buying da Vinci's paintbrush and then complaining that you still can't paint. The brush wasn't what made the Mona Lisa, it was the skill of the artist. The brush is a tool that relies on the user's skill. There's no way to get that skill other than practice.
Same with vi. Same with many pieces of Linux software that new users complain is "too hard" or "not intuitive enough", whether they're talking about a text editor, a package manager, or the command line itself.
Before you start insisting that something about Linux needs fixing, there's one important question to ask: "Do experienced users have a problem with this?"
If the answer is "No", then the problem is on your end. If other people can use it successfully, why can't you? Have you taken the time to learn how to use it? Or did you just expect it to work for you right from the word 'Go'?
"User-friendly" and "raw functionality" are exclusive. All the little buttons and drop-down menus that are vital to make a piece of software simple to use are just obstacles that get in the way of the experienced user. It's the difference between navigating from A to B with a map & compass, and going from A to B by following the road signs: Anybody can get there by following the signs, but they'll take twice as long as somebody who knows how to go straight there.
If I want to paste the value of a formula in Excel, I have to do it via the Edit->Paste Special->Paste Values menus. I don't want to navigate through all these pain-in-the-rear 'friendly' menus, sub-menus and dialogue boxes. I just want to do it. And, to be fair, if I reprogram the shortcut keys and record some macros, I can make Excel and Word do most things at the push of a button.
But that's not really user-friendly, is it? That's still requiring the user to invest a lot of time in the software. Linux requires you to put the time in to learn how to use the existing functionality. "User-friendly" software makes you put the time in to creating the functionality.
If that's the way you prefer it, that's fine, go ahead and do it that way. But don't ever lose sight of the fact that the fault lies with your ignorance and not with the software itself. All Linux software is supremely easy to use, once you know how to use it. If you don't know, it won't be easy, and it won't be because the software is at fault.
Now, you might be starting to feel that Linux has an attitude problem. It doesn't want users, it doesn't want to make life easy for its users. . . it's just for snobbish l33t h4xx0r5!
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Of course Linux wants users! And of course it doesn't want to make things hard. Quite the opposite: Hard to use software is, by definition, bad software.
But you have to realize, its definitions may be different to yours, and different to the 'traditional' proprietary software culture.
Linux wants users who want Linux. And that doesn't mean just the name. It means everything: The free, open-source software; the ability to tinker with your software; the position of being in the driver's seat, in total control.
That's what Linux is. That's what it's all about. People migrate to Linux because they're sick of viruses, sick of BSODs, sick of spyware. That's understandable. But those people don't want Linux. They really just want Windows without the flaws. They don't really want Linux. So why should Linux want them?
But if they give Linux a try because of viruses and spyware, and then decide that they love the idea of an OS that they control. . . That's when they want Linux for its own sake. And that's when Linux wants them.
Before you decide you want to switch to Linux, ask yourself "Why do I want to switch?"
If the answer is "I want an OS that puts all the power in the hands of the user and expects him to know how to use it": Get Linux. You'll have to invest a substantial amount of time and effort before you get it to where you want it, but you'll eventually be rewarded with a computer that works exactly the way you want it to.
BUT. . .
If the answer is "I want Windows without the problems": Do a clean install of Windows XP SP2; set up a good firewall; install a good anti-virus; never use IE for browsing the web; update regularly; reboot after each software install; and read about good security practices. I myself have used Windows from 3.1 through 95, 98, NT, and XP, and I have never once had a virus, suffered from spyware, or been cracked. Windows can be a safe and stable OS, but it relies on you keeping it that way.
If the answer is "I want a replacement for Windows without the problems": Buy an Apple Mac. I've heard wonderful things about the Tiger release of OS X, and they've got some lovely-looking hardware. It'll cost you a new computer, but it'll get you what you want.
In either case, don't switch to Linux. You'll be disappointed with both the software and the community. Linux is not Windows.
Taken from Dominic Humphries work
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(Note for mods and admins: I didnt wrote this, thats why i didn't put this in the correct category, also because this is the only place for no post count, also PLEASE dont remove this post, is very useful to anyone who want to switch from windows to linux) Thanks.
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(Linux is Not Windows)If, as I do, you spend any amount of time on a Linux forum, you'll eventually grow exasperated, as I did, by the number of posts that run something like this:
"Hi! I've been using Linux for a few days, and it's mostly great. But, it's a shame that [something or other] doesn't work like it does on Windows. Why don't all the developers completely rewrite all the software so it acts more like Windows? I'm sure Linux would get lots more users if they did!"
You may even have had a go at answering these questions, only to be shot down in flames by a Linux newbie who takes it as read that his idea, based on years of experience with a different OS plus a few hours on Linux, is revolutionarily brilliant, and you only don't like it because you're an "old-school Linux user" who thinks that GUIs are the spawn of the Devil and everybody should be forced to stick to the CLI.
This article is aimed at explaining to those newbies exactly why their ideas tend to get flamed rather than embraced.
First and foremost, the most cherished argument: "If Linux did this, it would get lots more people converting from Windows!"
So, allow me to explain something that is fundamental to understanding Linux: The Linux community is not trying to provide the average Windows user with a replacement OS. The goal of Linux is not "Linux on every desktop".
Really. It honestly isn't.. Yes, they're both an OS. Yes, they can both be used for the same things. But that makes Linux an alternative, not a replacement. It might seem an insignificant distinction, but it's actually a vitally important one.
Linux <=> Windows is like Motorbikes <=> Cars: Both are vehicles that get you from A to B via the roads. But they're different shapes, different sizes, have different controls, and they work in fundamentally different ways. They are not freely interchangeable. They have different uses and different strengths & weaknesses, and you should pick whichever is appropriate, not pick one and expect it to do everything that the other can do.
Somebody who drives a car might be sitting in a long queue of traffic someday and see a motorbike go sailing past him. He might envy the biker's ability to largely ignore something that is a crippling problem to a car. If that driver then said "I know all about cars, so I must know all about motorbikes!" then he'd be wrong.
If that driver bought a bike and then found that he was confused by the accelerator being a hand-controlled twist-grip instead of a foot-controlled pedal, he might complain that motorbikes should be fitted with a gas pedal.
· If that driver had a wife and two kids, he might find the bike's single passenger capacity a flaw. He might suggest that bikes be re-built so they could carry four people, two abreast.
· If that driver were to try and drive away, only to find that he fell over because he wasn't used to having to keep balance, he might suggest that bikes should be re-designed with four wheels.
· If the driver were to find himself leaning around the corners, he might suggest bikes should be fitted with stabilisers to keep them upright when cornering.
· If the driver wanted to keep his bike from being stolen, he might complain that there were no doors to lock potential thieves out, making his bike much more likely to be stolen than a car.
· If the driver found a crash helmet an encumbrance, he might suggest that an airbag in the bike's handlebars could be fitted as an alternative to the annoying helmet.
And in every case, he would be wrong. Because he thinks that a motorbike replaces a car, he thinks it can and should do everything a car can do. He thinks it can work in the same way that a car does, that 'missing' car features can just be grafted on.
In the same way, well-meaning Linux newcomers make suggestions about making Linux more like what they're used to. And they get nowhere, for all the same reasons. Linux and Windows might both be used for the same purposes, but so are a car & motorbike. That doesn't mean you can swap directly from one to the other, and it doesn't mean features can or should be swapped directly from one to the other.
Too many people think that migrating from Windows to Linux is like switching from a BMW to a Mercedes. They think that the controls should be the same, their experience should transfer directly, and all differences should be largely cosmetic. They think that "I need a car to use a road, I need an OS to use a computer. Cars all work the same way, therefore OSes should all work the same way." But this is not accurate. "I need a vehicle to use a road, I need an OS to use a computer. I know how to drive a car, I'm ignorant about motorbikes. I know how to use Windows, I'm ignorant about Linux." - this is accurate.
A Windows user must realize that he's only an experienced Windows user, not an experienced computer user; just like a car driver is only a car driver, not an all-road-vehicles driver. A Windows user on Linux must realize that he has just become a novice again, just like a car driver on a motorbike. A Windows user must be willing to learn that there are different ways of accomplishing the same task, just as a car driver must get used to the handlebars replacing a wheel and the need for a crash helmet he never had to use before. And they have to be prepared to accept that "different" does not mean "inferior".
This simple fact causes great difficulty for the more established Windows users. They come to Linux with many Windows habits ingrained and an attitude of "I know exactly how to use a computer, thank you very much." The problem is, they don't. They only know how to use Windows. When they come to a different OS, these "power users" can be the ones who have the worst problems: They have far more to unlearn.
Where a newbie will just say "I don't know" and start exploring or asking on forums, the Windows Power User will say "I know how to do this, I just do this, this, this, and then. . . It doesn't work! Stupid OS!" And then they'll say "If knowledgeable me couldn't get it working, a newbie will stand no chance! Linux is nowhere near ready for desktop use!". They don't realise that all their knowledge is working against them, causing them to have more problems than the less knowledgeable users. They've made the mistake of thinking Linux is different software doing the same thing as Windows, when it's actually different software doing different things. It's not doing a bad job of the same tasks, it's doing a good job of alternative tasks.
Linux is an alternative to Windows, but not a replacement. It will never be a replacement, because it has incompatible goals. Microsoft's goal is to get their software onto as many PCs as possible, as their priority is profit. Linux has no such goal, because Linux is free. It has a different priority.
To understand this is to understand FOSS . It's perfectly understandable that Linux newbies don't understand it yet - they're new to it. They're used to thinking in terms of proprietary software. So let me explain it:
Typical FOSS software is created by somebody who looks around, doesn't find any pre-existing software he likes, and so writes his own. Then, because he's such a nice guy, he throws open the source and says to the world "Help yourself!". He can do this, because it costs nothing to duplicate software, so it costs him no more to give it to the whole world than it would to keep it to himself. He doesn't suffer by giving his software away.
However, the important thing to remember is: He doesn't benefit from giving his software away, either. Whether it gets used by one person, or by one billion, makes no difference to the developer. Oh, sure, he gets the satisfaction of knowing he's made a popular product: The number of people using it can be a nice ego boost; a way, if you will, of keeping score. But it doesn't make him any money: It's FOSS.
If the software is a success, other people get interested in it, and they help improve it. That's the biggest advantage of FOSS: Every user is a potential developer. Everybody can chip in and do their part in making software work better, do more, be less buggy. It's great when a piece of software attracts a community of developers. But it's great for the software. It makes the software better. It doesn't make the developer richer. It just creates more demands on his time.
FOSS is the exact opposite of proprietary software like Windows: FOSS is all about the software. It's not about the number of end users. Software that works well but has only a few users is considered a failure by commercial software standards, but a success by FOSS ones.
FOSS is about making good quality software, software that can DO things. If you want to use it, you're expected to invest time in learning how to use it. It was created and given to you, free of charge, by people who invested a lot of their own time in it for no personal gain. The least you could do to repay their contribution is invest a little time of your own before you complain that it doesn't work like the parallel Windows software.
"Aha, now I've got you," says a newbie smugly. "There are Linux projects with the goal of replacing Windows, not just being an alternative."
It's easy to see where that idea comes from. KDE and Gnome, for instance, provide a desktop environment that's far more Windows-like than typical Linux window managers and the CLI. Linspire is a distro based almost entirely around the idea of making Linux Windows-like.
However, paradoxically, these prove my point better than they prove the newbie's.
Why? Because these projects are normal FOSS projects, revolving entirely around making the software better. The only difference is, one of the definitions of quality in these projects is "How easily can a Windows user use it?"
As soon as you factor this in, you can't help but agree that these are 100% typical Linux, with the sole aim of improving software. These are projects made by even-more-selfless-than-usual Linux developers: They aren't making software for their own use, as they know Linux very well. Instead, they're making software entirely for other people's benefit: Software that makes the transition from Windows to Linux easier.
These developers have recognised that there are Windows users who want to move to Linux, and they've put a lot of effort into creating a Linux environment which Windows users find comfortably familiar. But they haven't done so to try and replace Windows, though the end result might give that impression. The end goal is what makes the difference: The goal is not to make a Windows replacement; the goal is to ease the Windows-user's transition to Linux.
It's not uncommon to see community hostility towards these projects. Some of it for rational, understandable reasons ("KDE is a resource hog, so use Fluxbox") but some seems to be an irrational, hostile, "Windows-like software is bad" attitude. This isn't, actually, an anti-MS or anti-Windows attitude. Instead, it's the far more comprehensible dislike of what isn't understood.
The 'typical' Linux user is a hobbyist: He uses computers because computers are fun, programming is fun, hacking is fun. And Linux is a far better OS for a hacking hobbyist: He can take it apart to its most fundamental level, and reassemble it exactly as he sees fit.
However, the current influx of Linux users has a large percentage of non-hobbyist non-hackers. They want a computer that Just Works, a computer that works like Windows. They aren't interested in spending time setting up Linux to make it work the way they want it, they want it to work like that out-of-the-box.
And that's perfectly okay, but from the typical Linux user's perspective, this is like somebody who wants a Lego car that comes pre-assembled and glued together so it can't come apart. It is alien to their understanding. The only way they can react is with a baffled "Why would anybody want that?"
It's baffling. If you want a ready-made model car, buy a toy car. If you want a car you can build and take apart, buy Lego. Why would anybody want a Lego car that can only be used as a toy car? The whole point of Lego is that you have fun assembling it yourself!
This is how a typical Linux user reacts to the "Why can't it Just Work?" brigade: "If you want it to Just Work, use Windows. If you want to hack it, use Linux. Why do you want to switch to Linux if you have no interest in taking advantage of its open source nature?"
The answer, usually, is that they don't actually want to move to Linux. They just want to get away from Windows: They're running away from viruses; they're fleeing malware; they're striving to be free of restrictions on how they use their paid-for software; they're trying to escape from the clutches of the E.U.L.A. They aren't trying to get into Linux, they're trying to get out of Windows. Linux is simply the best-known alternative.
More on that later. . .
You might think "Okay, that explains why developers don't make a deliberate effort to make their software work like Windows. But surely Linux software could be given a GUI that's Windows-user-friendly without it interfering with FOSS principles?"
There are a few reasons why this isn't the case.
Firstly: Do you really think that somebody who creates a piece of software deliberately gives it a lousy user interface?
When somebody devotes a large chunk of his own time to create a piece of software, he will make the user interface (UI) as good as possible. The UI is a hugely important part of the software: there's no point having functionality if you can't access it via the UI. You might not know what it is, but there is always a reason why the UI works the way it does. That reason? Because it is the best UI the creator could create.
Before you insist that a more Windows-like UI would make the software better, bear this fact in mind: The creator of this software, a coder who, by definition, knows far more than you do about this piece of software, doesn't agree with you. He might be wrong, but the odds are against it.
Secondly: There already ARE nice, Windows-user-friendly GUI frontends available. I can't think of any function off the top of my head that you can't control via a GUI, no matter how high-level. You can compile a kernel (make xconfig), set up your firewall (fwbuilder), partition your hard drive (qtparted). . . it's all there, pretty, interactive, intuitive, and user-friendly.
But the 'release cycle' of Linux isn't like Windows. You don't get the finished, highly-polished GUI package released right from the start. GUIs add complexity and no functionality to software. A developer doesn't sit down and design a pretty GUI that does nothing, he sits down and creates a piece of software that does what he needs it to do.
The first thing a piece of software does is be usable from the command line interface (CLI). It will probably have all sorts of invocation options and maybe a lengthy configuration file. This is how it starts out, because it's functionality that's required. Everything else comes later. And even when software has a nice GUI, it's important to remember it can still usually be controlled fully from the CLI and the config files.
This is because the CLI has many advantages: The CLI is universal. Every Linux system has a CLI. Every executable can be run from the CLI. It's easy to operate software via the CLI remotely.
None of these are true of the GUI: Some Linux machines don't have the X11 windowing system installed; Some software has no GUI; Some software is not available from GUI menus; It's often not easy or practical to use a GUI tool remotely.
Lastly, multiple GUI frontends can exist to do the same job, and there's no telling which you may have installed.
So do remember, if you ask "How do I. . ?", you'll mostly be told how to do it via the CLI. That doesn't mean that it can only be done from the CLI. It just reflects the relative importance that the GUI has compared to the CLI in the development of a software project.
Windows is totally GUI-centric. It's a GUI-based OS with a lousy (but soon to improve) CLI. There's pretty much no such thing as non-GUI Windows software. That tends to make people think of the GUI as a vital and integral part of software. But in Linux, software gets released as soon as it's functional. Only after it's become stable, reasonably bug-free, and feature-rich, does it become worth adding a GUI.
Try thinking about software without a helpful GUI as a "sneak preview" rather than a finished product. FOSS is very rarely 'finished', it's always being improved. In time, it will be made user-friendly. But most of the time, it's more important to make it work better than make it 'feel' better. Be glad you've got the functionality long before all the wimps who need a good GUI, instead of demanding tomorrow's software today. FOSS is more of a journey than a destination.
The last thing you have to bear in mind is, GUIs for software will often be a separate piece of software. It may even have been developed completely independently of the original piece of software, by completely separate developers. If you want a GUI, it's not unlikely that it will be a separate installation, rather than all one piece.
This does, admittedly, mean an extra step to get that elusive, 'Windowsy' GUI behaviour, but that shouldn't detract from the fact that you can, right now, do just about anything you really want to via a pretty, "just like Windows" GUI. You just have to remember: a GUI is usually the LAST step, and not the first. Linux doesn't do form over function.
Thirdly: Linux is deliberately designed for the well-informed, knowledgeable user, rather than the ignorant beginner. This is for two reasons:
Ignorance may be bliss, but it's also short-lived. Knowledge is eternal. It might take days, weeks, or months to get your knowledge level up from "Linux newbie" to "average Linux user", but once it's there, you've got years of Linux use ahead of you.
Putting in lots of code to make software easier for newcomers would be like permanently bolting stabiliser wheels to all bicycles. They might make it easier right at the start, but after that. . ?
You wouldn't buy a bicycle with stabilisers on it now, I'm sure. And not because you're some anti-user-friendly freak. No, it would be because they're useless to you, and useless to anybody other than a beginner, and all they'd do is get in the way.
No matter how good software is, it's only as good as its user. The most secure door in the world is no barrier to thieves if you leave the window open, the door unlocked, or the keys in the lock. The most perfectly-tuned engine in the world won't get very far if you fill it with diesel fuel instead of petrol.
Linux puts all power in the hands of the user. That includes the power to break it. Nobody wins in that situation. The only way to keep Linux working well is to learn enough to know what you're doing. Making it easier for a user to meddle with functionality he doesn't understand would just make it more likely he'll break something by accident.
Fourthly: Where, in any of the above text, did you see a way that FOSS would actually benefit from attracting lots of typical Windows users?
Take your time. Re-read it, if you like. I'll wait.
The guiding principle of Linux and FOSS is "make good software". It is not "Make Windows-replacing software". The only thing a horde of typical Windows users will contribute to Linux is complaints. What will they complain? "It doesn't work like this on Windows."
No, it doesn't. If it worked like Windows, Linux would suck. It would be an inferior copy that nobody would use. The reason people are so passionately fond of Linux is that it doesn't work like Windows. It doesn't do everything for you, it doesn't assume you're a perpetual ignorant newbie, it doesn't hide all the inner workings from you.
Windows chauffeurs you around; Linux hands you the keys and puts you in the driver's seat. If you can't drive, that's your problem. And your fault. Plenty of people will help you learn if you ask. And if you make a suggestion that's the equivalent of fitting cruise control, you might get somewhere: This leaves the driver in control, but takes some of the effort out. But you'll get very short shrift if you try and convince anybody that what Linux really, really needs is a chauffeur.
"But it would get Linux so much more mainstream!", the newbie cries.
It might well do. But how many Linux developers would benefit from Linux going mainstream? Linux is free, as in beer. None of the people creating Linux profit from it gaining a bigger userbase. None of the people on the Linux forums profit from it gaining a bigger userbase. Linux's aim is not "gain a bigger userbase" - that's the goal of proprietary software.
Linux's goal is to make a really good operating system. Developers are busy adding features, removing bugs, and improving existing implementations. They're not busy putting up billboards advertising how good their stuff is. That should tell you something about where their priorities are.
And look at what this approach has done to Linux's userbase: It's made it grow. Linux started out tiny, and has become huge. The reason it has attracted such widespread acclaim? Because its focus has always been on quality. The users attracted to Linux are users who want the freedom and quality that only FOSS can give them. Linux became big because it didn't care how big it got. Developers focussed solely on making it work, and work well, and so they attracted users who wanted an OS that worked, and worked well.
To suddenly throw that all away and focus instead on making Linux all about replacing Windows would be to kill the very thing that has made Linux what it is. There are corporations out there that have seen Linux's growth, and want to cash in on it. They're frustrated by the GPL, which makes it very hard for them to sell Linux at Microsoft prices. "Linux will die if it stays open," they say, "as nobody can make money off it like that."
They don't realize that making Linux proprietary would be killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Linux became big because it was FOSS, and nobody was trying to make it a Windows substitute. Linux is thriving because it's fighting Windows on a front that Microsoft can never defeat it on: Open-ness and quality.
To most Windows users, Linux is an inferior Windows copy. It has less apparent functionality, less integration, and lots more complexity. To that type of user, Linux is seen as a bad OS. And correctly so: It doesn't meet their needs. Their needs are an OS that's very simple to use and does everything without them needing to learn anything.
Windows is created for non-tech users. The widespread perception amongst those users is that Linux is hard to use. This is not the case, but it's an understandable misconception.
Linux is actually blissfully easy to use. Genuinely. It is really easy to use. The reason it isn't perceived this way? Because the term "ease of use" has been so badly distorted. In common usage, "easy to use" now means "easy to do something without knowing beforehand how to do it". But that's not really "easy to use", is it? That's "easy to figure out". It's like the difference between:
a safe with a notice above it saying "You unlock this safe by turning the dial to 32 then 64 then 18 then 9, then turn the key and lift the handle up"
and
a car that can be unlocked by pressing the remote control "unlock" button.
It's far easier to unlock the car, right? One button from anywhere near the car, opposed to numerous highly-specific dial-turns. However, it's easier for somebody who doesn't know how to unlock either to get the safe open than the car: the safe has clear instructions in place, while the car just has buttons that aren't even attached to the car.
Linux is the same. It's easy to use if you know how to use it. It's easy to use, but it's not always easy to learn. Only if you are willing to invest the time in learning Linux will you find it easy. Inescapably, the more you break a task down into simple steps, the more steps you have to take to accomplish that task.
As a really simple example, take this arbitrary exercise: You want to move five lines (paragraphs) from the middle of a text document to the end.
In MS Word; MS WordPad; or MS Notepad; all "user-friendly" Windows text editors, the quickest way to do this is:
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-Shift-Down
- Ctrl-X
- Ctrl-End
- Ctrl-V
(That's assuming you use the keyboard. Otherwise, you need some Click-and-Drag mouse operations and a reliable autoscroll.)
In vi, however, it is:
- d5d
- Shift-g
- p
(Or if you know vi really well, just ":1,5m$" will also work!)
Vi, which is about as "user-unfriendly" as it gets, beats Microsoft's offerings hands down. Why? Because vi was designed for functionality, while Microsoft design to be "user-friendly". Microsoft break everything down into easy steps, and so it takes far more steps to accomplish the same task.
This makes vi far quicker and easier to use for virtually all text-editing tasks. Just so long as you know how to use it. If you don't know "d5d" means "Place five lines of text in the buffer, and delete them from the document" then you're going to struggle to make vi work. But if you DO know, then you're going to fly along.
So when some newbie sees how fast and easily an experienced vi user can do stuff, he readily agrees that vi is superior to Word for text editing. Then he tries to use it himself. He starts it up, gets a screen full of ~s, and when he types, nothing appears on the screen.
He finds out about the text-entry and command modes, and starts trying to use vi with a limited knowledge of it's functions. He struggles, as there are so many things he has to learn before he can make vi work. Then he complains "vi would be much better if it was as easy to use as Word!"
But the real problem is "I don't know how to use vi and can't be bothered to learn." But that would mean the problem was with him, so he blames his problems on the software instead. Never mind all the thousands of people who are happily using vi without any problems: It's too hard to use, and must be changed!
And believe me, if he can make a text editor that is as "user-friendly" as Word and as functional as vi, he'll be met with nothing but applause. In fact, he'll probably be awarded the Nobel Prize For Extreme Cleverness, as nobody else has been able to do it yet. But just whining about vi being hard to use will be met with derision, because there's no problem with vi, the problem is with him.
It's like buying da Vinci's paintbrush and then complaining that you still can't paint. The brush wasn't what made the Mona Lisa, it was the skill of the artist. The brush is a tool that relies on the user's skill. There's no way to get that skill other than practice.
Same with vi. Same with many pieces of Linux software that new users complain is "too hard" or "not intuitive enough", whether they're talking about a text editor, a package manager, or the command line itself.
Before you start insisting that something about Linux needs fixing, there's one important question to ask: "Do experienced users have a problem with this?"
If the answer is "No", then the problem is on your end. If other people can use it successfully, why can't you? Have you taken the time to learn how to use it? Or did you just expect it to work for you right from the word 'Go'?
"User-friendly" and "raw functionality" are exclusive. All the little buttons and drop-down menus that are vital to make a piece of software simple to use are just obstacles that get in the way of the experienced user. It's the difference between navigating from A to B with a map & compass, and going from A to B by following the road signs: Anybody can get there by following the signs, but they'll take twice as long as somebody who knows how to go straight there.
If I want to paste the value of a formula in Excel, I have to do it via the Edit->Paste Special->Paste Values menus. I don't want to navigate through all these pain-in-the-rear 'friendly' menus, sub-menus and dialogue boxes. I just want to do it. And, to be fair, if I reprogram the shortcut keys and record some macros, I can make Excel and Word do most things at the push of a button.
But that's not really user-friendly, is it? That's still requiring the user to invest a lot of time in the software. Linux requires you to put the time in to learn how to use the existing functionality. "User-friendly" software makes you put the time in to creating the functionality.
If that's the way you prefer it, that's fine, go ahead and do it that way. But don't ever lose sight of the fact that the fault lies with your ignorance and not with the software itself. All Linux software is supremely easy to use, once you know how to use it. If you don't know, it won't be easy, and it won't be because the software is at fault.
Now, you might be starting to feel that Linux has an attitude problem. It doesn't want users, it doesn't want to make life easy for its users. . . it's just for snobbish l33t h4xx0r5!
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Of course Linux wants users! And of course it doesn't want to make things hard. Quite the opposite: Hard to use software is, by definition, bad software.
But you have to realize, its definitions may be different to yours, and different to the 'traditional' proprietary software culture.
Linux wants users who want Linux. And that doesn't mean just the name. It means everything: The free, open-source software; the ability to tinker with your software; the position of being in the driver's seat, in total control.
That's what Linux is. That's what it's all about. People migrate to Linux because they're sick of viruses, sick of BSODs, sick of spyware. That's understandable. But those people don't want Linux. They really just want Windows without the flaws. They don't really want Linux. So why should Linux want them?
But if they give Linux a try because of viruses and spyware, and then decide that they love the idea of an OS that they control. . . That's when they want Linux for its own sake. And that's when Linux wants them.
Before you decide you want to switch to Linux, ask yourself "Why do I want to switch?"
If the answer is "I want an OS that puts all the power in the hands of the user and expects him to know how to use it": Get Linux. You'll have to invest a substantial amount of time and effort before you get it to where you want it, but you'll eventually be rewarded with a computer that works exactly the way you want it to.
BUT. . .
If the answer is "I want Windows without the problems": Do a clean install of Windows XP SP2; set up a good firewall; install a good anti-virus; never use IE for browsing the web; update regularly; reboot after each software install; and read about good security practices. I myself have used Windows from 3.1 through 95, 98, NT, and XP, and I have never once had a virus, suffered from spyware, or been cracked. Windows can be a safe and stable OS, but it relies on you keeping it that way.
If the answer is "I want a replacement for Windows without the problems": Buy an Apple Mac. I've heard wonderful things about the Tiger release of OS X, and they've got some lovely-looking hardware. It'll cost you a new computer, but it'll get you what you want.
In either case, don't switch to Linux. You'll be disappointed with both the software and the community. Linux is not Windows.
Taken from Dominic Humphries work
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For me Linux and Windows are a bit similar, although there are obvious differences (ie open source in Linux's case). Linux seems to be reasonably good coding wise, but the prob IMO would the lack of programs tailored for it (considering it aint a major OS)... Although I do like the Lindows hybrid.
Linux is definately not equals to Windows. Windows operating systems are getting easier to configure and administrate by the versions. Now you can plug in a flash drive into a USB 2.0 port in Windows and it detects and load the drive for you in My Computer like a breeze. You can never be able to do that in Linux. Alot more, Linux is simply too difficult to configure for a pure Windows user, at least for myself. I guess it's the same for the rest of many people.
Just awhile ago, I was installing Windows 98 SE on another computer for office work. It was a new customised computer bought yesterday so I was installing the OS and drivers whatsoever just now. Suddenly Windows 98 became slight alien to me. I cannot get use to the fact that everything in Windows 98 requires a driver, even for a flash disk. It's very annoying because basically there's nothing you can do with a flash disk on Windows 98 because you cannot afford to carry a 1.44 diskette to install a flash disk driver in a Windows 98 machine just to use the flash disk. Also network support wasn't much very well supported as compared to Windows XP, obviously because it's an older version of Windows. But my point is that it appears same for Linux operating system as compared to a Windows 98 or even Windows 95 system, because there's nothing much you can do about it. Everything needs a driver and you have to install them everytime you want to use a new device. It's espescially irritating when you've just reformatted a new computer because everything starts from nothing. What's worst on some Linux distributions are that their support are so little, even if they have dedicated support forums, your questions are either replied days or months later or even never a reply. Hence for me, I'll never again install a Linux OS on my harddisk. At most I'll use a Live CD and play with it for awhile if I've nothing better to do.
I agree to rather go for an Apple than a Penguin.
Just awhile ago, I was installing Windows 98 SE on another computer for office work. It was a new customised computer bought yesterday so I was installing the OS and drivers whatsoever just now. Suddenly Windows 98 became slight alien to me. I cannot get use to the fact that everything in Windows 98 requires a driver, even for a flash disk. It's very annoying because basically there's nothing you can do with a flash disk on Windows 98 because you cannot afford to carry a 1.44 diskette to install a flash disk driver in a Windows 98 machine just to use the flash disk. Also network support wasn't much very well supported as compared to Windows XP, obviously because it's an older version of Windows. But my point is that it appears same for Linux operating system as compared to a Windows 98 or even Windows 95 system, because there's nothing much you can do about it. Everything needs a driver and you have to install them everytime you want to use a new device. It's espescially irritating when you've just reformatted a new computer because everything starts from nothing. What's worst on some Linux distributions are that their support are so little, even if they have dedicated support forums, your questions are either replied days or months later or even never a reply. Hence for me, I'll never again install a Linux OS on my harddisk. At most I'll use a Live CD and play with it for awhile if I've nothing better to do.
I agree to rather go for an Apple than a Penguin.
I agree that linux is far behind windows, but my reason for liking Linux is not its features or looks, although they are great. I just hate the way Microsoft monopolises things (websites, tech., softwares), bundling everything and then making sure things wont work on other softwares.
e.g. The new live beta mail is made such that it works only on internet explorer 6
e.g. The new live beta mail is made such that it works only on internet explorer 6
Linux and Windows are totally different, made for different reasons, by different people, in different ways. I have used Windows for most of my life, simply because when I first saw a Linux distro, it was command line based, and I like GUIs, just to make life easier. I want to start using Linux on my laptop, but it's finding the time to learn how to use it. I know how to use Windows, but that's the same as knowing how to use Open Office or Google Talk, it's all different software. One advantage of most Linux distros over Windows is that you can use a live CD first, to see if you like it, before you commit yourself to it.
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Linux and Windows are totally different, made for different reasons, by different people, in different ways.This is really a good point. I like command line, I find it easier to work with a computer that way. Say, to change the extension of a number of files, you just type in ren *.ogm *. avi and you are done. How many instructions will you have to give in a GUI? You probably have to write a VB script for that too. And say, you want to locate a file, you just type dir /s abc.bat and you can search the whole hard disk for that file. Linux works a similar way. You can set run level too! And in the simplest environment, you can work without X and just use the bash shell. Many commands in Linux, e.g. the grep command are built for command line people. The very cryptic vi, mentioned in the article looks awkward to most of us, but in very simple computer where keys such as CTRL is reserved for other functions, the way vi works is very reasonable. You need vi to build a server without X too. Vi is also small. Linux also comes with a very handy command, man, for you to look up all those spells in bash.
Don’t be too frustrated with Linux. Type in shutdown and you are done.
I like Linux because it is a fast, stable and you don't have to worry about getting viruses. In my opinion no other operating system comes close on those levels. I have both my computers dual booted with Linux and Windows and I use Linux whenever I can. Mostly when I am developing applications, browsing the web or watching video. I would like to use only Linux but the problem is that majority of the applications out there were made for windows.
I also have dual setups on my laptop and home home computer, because as many mentioned Linux apps are very limited at the moment. With the advent of Google's Linux flavor hopefully Linux will take another huge leap and temp developers to consider it as a major OS and potentially fruitful customer base.
I would say the biggest difference is that when microsoft wants a bug fixed....it's instant, they have so many workers and so much $$$ that everything happens faster. When linux wants it done, it takes between hours and days because it's community driven (which may bring better quality, but over a longer period of time ).
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I agree that linux is far behind windows, but my reason for liking Linux is not its features or looks, although they are great. I just hate the way Microsoft monopolises things (websites, tech., softwares), bundling everything and then making sure things wont work on other softwares.
e.g. The new live beta mail is made such that it works only on internet explorer 6
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I agree with what you are saying, but if this TPM chip gets activated it will change the way we use our computers. it will only allow what the controllers want us to do with our computers.
Look I have been a computer engineer for over 16 years and I have also taught computer sicence I have seen the controllers change the way computers are used and what we can use them for through these years. this is just another way for them to slowly control any computer they want!
Think about this!
If Microsoft forces all thier venders to install Vista in all of thier computers, like Dell, Hp, and others this will give Microsoft a great advantage of control, maybe they don't care about Linux but with this chip they can even prevent Linux from being installed on any of their computers.
Maybe no more Duel Booting, because Linux won't be able to access vista's encrypted hard drive.
I think Linux is great but if Trusted Computing has full contol over the user we all lose Linux included!
Image if vista was installed on a computer then you wanted to install Linux maybe you would get a new hard drive oh! wait, the TPM chip won't let you install it!
I don't think we need hardware control! whats next! control over what we can watch! wait, they already have that is called HD DVD and other encryptions.
THE WORLD WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER WITHOUT MICROSOFT OR PERHAPS WITHOUT THEIR GREED TO OWE EVERYTHING. It's not true that in linux you lack drivers, it's so not true that bugs are fixed in windows sooner than in linux(think about it, find a bug and fill a bug report and see when will microsoft patch it, may be months, many months because they have lots of beaurocracy and it's a long way for your mail or whatever application to get to the person that makes the decision...in linux i can remmember that one found a critical bug in ubuntu...and it got fixed in less than an hour!!!), it's not true that linux is CLI(when did u look the last time in linux world to see what tremendous work has been done lately- in the latest 4 years), just try to stick a usb flash in the computer and see that it recognises it, u can even boot your linux off a flash pen, and u don't have to pick up a little distro that has little forums, pick ubuntu and see that your question gets answered in hours at most.
I'm not a linux religious, i have a dualboot with windows XP, the only really annoiances are the lack of some really important apps in linux -but not their fault adobe or autodesk or macromedia doesn't port their closed-source apps to linux, linuxists would do the work for them if they had the source-code and the fact that it's very difficult to create open-source drivers for devices that manufacturers don't offer specifications, also not linuxists' fault. Another annoyance especially there where DRM mania flourish is tha imposibility to play some multimedia formats.
And there are of course bugs like windows has, but these are worked on and while windows releases a new version of their system in 5 years linux releases a couple per year. Look at Novell's efforts lately with XGL.
PLEASE, don't speak if u don't know what u're talking about or if the data u rely on is outdated...i've hured just a few days back that some guy installed red hat on his computer and it was like hell, so linux sucks, he didn't even realized that that was like 4-5 years old version.
I am not be a linux freack, i just for 6 months struggle to learn how much i can and so far i can do almost all i need on my linux, haven't open Xp for some months and i watch multimedia, do graphics, develop websites, play games with cedega or wine. Not Windows-friendly yat for sure but lately the advantages ocercome the disadvantagess and i can let my windows partition die slowly, especially i won't install vista ever.
I'm not a linux religious, i have a dualboot with windows XP, the only really annoiances are the lack of some really important apps in linux -but not their fault adobe or autodesk or macromedia doesn't port their closed-source apps to linux, linuxists would do the work for them if they had the source-code and the fact that it's very difficult to create open-source drivers for devices that manufacturers don't offer specifications, also not linuxists' fault. Another annoyance especially there where DRM mania flourish is tha imposibility to play some multimedia formats.
And there are of course bugs like windows has, but these are worked on and while windows releases a new version of their system in 5 years linux releases a couple per year. Look at Novell's efforts lately with XGL.
PLEASE, don't speak if u don't know what u're talking about or if the data u rely on is outdated...i've hured just a few days back that some guy installed red hat on his computer and it was like hell, so linux sucks, he didn't even realized that that was like 4-5 years old version.
I am not be a linux freack, i just for 6 months struggle to learn how much i can and so far i can do almost all i need on my linux, haven't open Xp for some months and i watch multimedia, do graphics, develop websites, play games with cedega or wine. Not Windows-friendly yat for sure but lately the advantages ocercome the disadvantagess and i can let my windows partition die slowly, especially i won't install vista ever.
truely said realthor, I knew someone would set these guys set.
Don't let M$ tell you that Linux costs a lot of their stupid FUD (Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt) "Get the Facts" advertisements. Those aren't facts, those are pure BS. Also, Linux isn't hard to use at all, they also have great graphics optimization.
Refer here to my long post(s):
http://www.trap17.com/forums/page-2-t31157-s10.html
http://www.trap17.com/forums/page-2-t22953-s10.html
http://www.trap17.com/forums/page-2-t4343-s10.html
Some info are outdated
Don't let M$ tell you that Linux costs a lot of their stupid FUD (Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt) "Get the Facts" advertisements. Those aren't facts, those are pure BS. Also, Linux isn't hard to use at all, they also have great graphics optimization.
Refer here to my long post(s):
http://www.trap17.com/forums/page-2-t31157-s10.html
http://www.trap17.com/forums/page-2-t22953-s10.html
http://www.trap17.com/forums/page-2-t4343-s10.html
Some info are outdated
thanks for the appreciation xboxrulz. I feel though i really need to emphasize some faults Linux has, some of them i have already mentioned in the previous post and i want to explain them further and here they are:
-linux lacks some really proffesional apps like Dreamveawer, Photoshop, Max, etc and proffesionals won't use The Ginp or Blender even if they have great potential for some little studios. So there should be more buzz on linux that it is right now,. Microsoft made some good tricks and payed loads of money to get those apps platform specific and i think it won't be a very bad ideea if resourceful linux companies like IBM or Novell or Canonical etc would pour some money advertising and making lobbies for those apps producers to make a linux port.
- linux has a bad image in multimedia, even we've got some hot stuff, there where DRM has the power really should be a payed package users would acquire to be able to play those files and where there aren;t drm problems the process of getting all stuff working should be less a pita, perhaps just something like Automatix for ubuntu, some script that downloads all the necessary codeccs for u and makes the right linking with browsers and preffered multimedia apps. The alternative would be a movement just like that with the adoption of an open document format; let's make some open multimedia formats not only as an open-source solution but for recording aompanies to offer such an alternative for linux users, thay would also avoid paying many bucks on licenses, but really don't know about this, perhaps they are afraid of illegal copies...
-there are still many apps failing silently or crushing, i've noticed this in kde and they are very annoying sometimes- this could be my fault as i install a lot of packages and maybe mess the system but in my opinion this shouldn't get to crushes. Of course it's mainly because even the graphical environment in linux is made by open-source coders and so are many system apps but this should be improved Personally i see some great distros coming late this year or next year early as KDE 4 approaches and Novell puts its hat into desktop linux withh Ubuntu seconding that.
There are a few others i can't remmember right now but you could write them down if u feel like it.
-linux lacks some really proffesional apps like Dreamveawer, Photoshop, Max, etc and proffesionals won't use The Ginp or Blender even if they have great potential for some little studios. So there should be more buzz on linux that it is right now,. Microsoft made some good tricks and payed loads of money to get those apps platform specific and i think it won't be a very bad ideea if resourceful linux companies like IBM or Novell or Canonical etc would pour some money advertising and making lobbies for those apps producers to make a linux port.
- linux has a bad image in multimedia, even we've got some hot stuff, there where DRM has the power really should be a payed package users would acquire to be able to play those files and where there aren;t drm problems the process of getting all stuff working should be less a pita, perhaps just something like Automatix for ubuntu, some script that downloads all the necessary codeccs for u and makes the right linking with browsers and preffered multimedia apps. The alternative would be a movement just like that with the adoption of an open document format; let's make some open multimedia formats not only as an open-source solution but for recording aompanies to offer such an alternative for linux users, thay would also avoid paying many bucks on licenses, but really don't know about this, perhaps they are afraid of illegal copies...
-there are still many apps failing silently or crushing, i've noticed this in kde and they are very annoying sometimes- this could be my fault as i install a lot of packages and maybe mess the system but in my opinion this shouldn't get to crushes. Of course it's mainly because even the graphical environment in linux is made by open-source coders and so are many system apps but this should be improved Personally i see some great distros coming late this year or next year early as KDE 4 approaches and Novell puts its hat into desktop linux withh Ubuntu seconding that.
There are a few others i can't remmember right now but you could write them down if u feel like it.
Nice article, it's a bit long so I haven't had the time to read it completely tho. I have to agree on you, linux is nowhere near windows, both OS's have their good and bad points, and OS's becomming more like each other is bad movement I guess. At my home PC we use windows, over the internet gameservers websites etc I manage run linux, on my "work" computer I run linux but that's jsut to get familliar with it..
you do have valid points on Linux's bad side. Linux doesn't have professional software like Photoshop or the likes of that.
However, I don't really have any applications that fails silently, try running some of your apps thru Konsole or the GNOME Terminal, maybe that'll help you determine the problem.
xboxrulz
However, I don't really have any applications that fails silently, try running some of your apps thru Konsole or the GNOME Terminal, maybe that'll help you determine the problem.
xboxrulz
It comes down to: Games or No Games.
If you want to play games, you need Windows. There are some games for linux but the majority of games out there are for Windows (unless you want to play a console). If you don't need to play games, Linux is a great alternative.
Windows has slight advantages in other areas:
1. Easier to use. You need to know what you are doing with Linux
2. Microsoft Office (Necessary for work sometimes)
3. Microsoft Exchange (I separate this out from office because shared e-mail calendaring groupware is still immature on Linux.)
4. Ease of finding support.
All of these advantages can be overcome by knowledgable computer users. The Games advantage cannot.
If you want to play games, you need Windows. There are some games for linux but the majority of games out there are for Windows (unless you want to play a console). If you don't need to play games, Linux is a great alternative.
Windows has slight advantages in other areas:
1. Easier to use. You need to know what you are doing with Linux
2. Microsoft Office (Necessary for work sometimes)
3. Microsoft Exchange (I separate this out from office because shared e-mail calendaring groupware is still immature on Linux.)
4. Ease of finding support.
All of these advantages can be overcome by knowledgable computer users. The Games advantage cannot.
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It comes down to: Games or No Games.
If you want to play games, you need Windows. There are some games for linux but the majority of games out there are for Windows (unless you want to play a console). If you don't need to play games, Linux is a great alternative.
Windows has slight advantages in other areas:
1. Easier to use. You need to know what you are doing with Linux
2. Microsoft Office (Necessary for work sometimes)
3. Microsoft Exchange (I separate this out from office because shared e-mail calendaring groupware is still immature on Linux.)
4. Ease of finding support.
All of these advantages can be overcome by knowledgable computer users. The Games advantage cannot.
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yes, games still lack support in linux but the most important ones can be run through cedega , TransGaming's flagship Linux portability product and i've hured they run better than on windows due to better allocating and accessing memory. Try that and then perhaps you'll change your oppinion. I'm not a great gamer but i use computers for business purposes and web design so linux is great for me.
And i spare those hundred dollars for a win licence for some beers...hehe;)
sorry for coming in late; I had to comment on killer*BLEEP*on's post:
1. Easier to use. You need to know what you are doing with Linux
You need to know what you are doing in Windows, as well. You are just used to doing it. The Linux way is different and therefore to your mind harder. Hello? That's what the original quoted article was about!
Open office? Does the same, saves in .doc format. Has done for years, ever since it BECAME open office - and I assume that even as Star Office it had some of the same stuff.
"shared e-mail calendaring groupware"? I will admit that it is not very compatible with the windows solution, but I think it is time to stop centring things on this Windows Way. The Unix mailspool works fine on all unix based systems. If there is a system who doesn't support it, that would be Windows.
I'm afraid that the Open Source communty beats the crap out of Windows there. And then stamps on the corpse, cuts it up in little bits and feeds it to Bill Gates. With Windows, you can try the konwledge base... rarely any help there...
You could try calling (I would rather die) the support line and test their knowledge. From the stuff I have seen from people around me, the support is support for the kind of things you shouldn't need any help with in the first place. And with Open Source, the first thing you do is go to the distro's forums. And that generally solves it, since the people there are users just like you, who know what they are doing, and do what they are doing because they want to give back to the communities that helped them onto their feet.
If it doesn't you go to the people who developed the software's site, and need look no further. I haven't ever had a problem that couldn't be solved. How often do you hear that about Windows?
I also have to salute realthor for his post. Driver issues? What the hell? No sofware? Have you windows slaves heard of Synaptic? I doubt it... MS would never let you know about something that nice untill they copied it. A pity for you that they can't due to their closed source mania.
Synapcit enables you to download and install thousands of software packages developed by various people from all over the place. With HALF the repositories enabled, I have over 19,000 programs available - everything from chess games to drivers for NTFS to web servers to PHP 5. Really, it makes the software management of windows look a teeny bit pre-historic.
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Windows has slight advantages in other areas:1. Easier to use. You need to know what you are doing with Linux
You need to know what you are doing in Windows, as well. You are just used to doing it. The Linux way is different and therefore to your mind harder. Hello? That's what the original quoted article was about!
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2. Microsoft Office (Necessary for work sometimes)Open office? Does the same, saves in .doc format. Has done for years, ever since it BECAME open office - and I assume that even as Star Office it had some of the same stuff.
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3. Microsoft Exchange (I separate this out from office because shared e-mail calendaring groupware is still immature on Linux.)"shared e-mail calendaring groupware"? I will admit that it is not very compatible with the windows solution, but I think it is time to stop centring things on this Windows Way. The Unix mailspool works fine on all unix based systems. If there is a system who doesn't support it, that would be Windows.
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4. Ease of finding support.I'm afraid that the Open Source communty beats the crap out of Windows there. And then stamps on the corpse, cuts it up in little bits and feeds it to Bill Gates. With Windows, you can try the konwledge base... rarely any help there...
You could try calling (I would rather die) the support line and test their knowledge. From the stuff I have seen from people around me, the support is support for the kind of things you shouldn't need any help with in the first place. And with Open Source, the first thing you do is go to the distro's forums. And that generally solves it, since the people there are users just like you, who know what they are doing, and do what they are doing because they want to give back to the communities that helped them onto their feet.
If it doesn't you go to the people who developed the software's site, and need look no further. I haven't ever had a problem that couldn't be solved. How often do you hear that about Windows?
I also have to salute realthor for his post. Driver issues? What the hell? No sofware? Have you windows slaves heard of Synaptic? I doubt it... MS would never let you know about something that nice untill they copied it. A pity for you that they can't due to their closed source mania.
Synapcit enables you to download and install thousands of software packages developed by various people from all over the place. With HALF the repositories enabled, I have over 19,000 programs available - everything from chess games to drivers for NTFS to web servers to PHP 5. Really, it makes the software management of windows look a teeny bit pre-historic.
I prefer Windows mainly because of the fact that I can use Windows for everything out of the box. Linux requires alot of configuration, but because it can be configured to however you want it, it is very flexible unlike Windows. Linux will never be for your grandmother, but if you know what you're doing, it can be pretty powerful.
Many distros, like linspire (see 'g0dd4m fuzkcfcae ret4d'd ristro') have the aim of acting like windows. Or at least, easing the user into linux setting from a Windows environment.
I think I will stand by saying that if users had started with linux rather than windows, they would find windows just as confusing as the windows migrants find linux, if not more so.
Customisation does take a little tinkering, but it doesn't HAVE to be done. Gnome works pretty nice 'out of the box', and a lot of the people who use KDE think that is nice as well. even as it comes with the system.
Linux is not hard. it is different. One you know how to use it, it work flawlessly (most of the time) and well. Not to mention being open source...
I think I will stand by saying that if users had started with linux rather than windows, they would find windows just as confusing as the windows migrants find linux, if not more so.
Customisation does take a little tinkering, but it doesn't HAVE to be done. Gnome works pretty nice 'out of the box', and a lot of the people who use KDE think that is nice as well. even as it comes with the system.
Linux is not hard. it is different. One you know how to use it, it work flawlessly (most of the time) and well. Not to mention being open source...
Even though i am a Linux, Mac and Windows user I can point out many reasons why Linux wont ever be like Windows. Most of the time, these reasons have nothing to do with the user base. Instead, the problems come from vendors and corporate developers. Venders do not release many if any drivers for Linux based systems. This forces some developers (skilled and unskilled) to write drivers for these devices that do not always work with all of the versions of linux nor do they always provide full functionality of the hardware. Plus, these take time to be released so brand new hardware might not work. As for developers, since Linux is open source and will always be that way, there is no profit made by writing software for it. All it does it get your name out there and possibly provide you with a little bit of income off of advertisments. Many professional softwares take years to create with large teams of developers and this is hard to collaborate in Linux when the developers are all around the world with their own adjendas and no one picture being the actual picture of where the product is to go.
Hi All,
There are several reasons why Linux can not be as popular as Windows is. I think mainly the concept of its birth tells it all. it was made by developers for developers.
For example lets look at one of the most important features of windows: the automatic hardware detection. Like someone ahs pointed on it before, you simply plug in a flash disk, and voilá, it works. Nothing to do with it. But how it works for linux: you plug it in, check the sdX slots, and if you found it, you mount it to the filesystem. this is not user friendly. Don't get me wrong, this post is made on a Debian Linux, so I like these features. I like to know what is happening under my hands, and I am mostly also curious about the why.
But because most people use only the basic programs in a computer (e.g. Office, internet), they require an idiot proof user interface.
Besides, there are some Linux distributions, which intent is to make it as similar in look and usage to Windows as possible. I am not sure this will help, because in my opinion, for this they would need to give up (at least partially) the very concept of Linux.
But maybe it is worthy... What do you think?
I have read the previous posts, and there were some paragraphs regarding to Vista. Can someone let me know more about it? I little of it. I have seen some skins, some demos, and heard about some features, but that is all. Is anyone more informed than me? I am sure you are. Give me a hand with this
There are several reasons why Linux can not be as popular as Windows is. I think mainly the concept of its birth tells it all. it was made by developers for developers.
For example lets look at one of the most important features of windows: the automatic hardware detection. Like someone ahs pointed on it before, you simply plug in a flash disk, and voilá, it works. Nothing to do with it. But how it works for linux: you plug it in, check the sdX slots, and if you found it, you mount it to the filesystem. this is not user friendly. Don't get me wrong, this post is made on a Debian Linux, so I like these features. I like to know what is happening under my hands, and I am mostly also curious about the why.
But because most people use only the basic programs in a computer (e.g. Office, internet), they require an idiot proof user interface.
Besides, there are some Linux distributions, which intent is to make it as similar in look and usage to Windows as possible. I am not sure this will help, because in my opinion, for this they would need to give up (at least partially) the very concept of Linux.
But maybe it is worthy... What do you think?
I have read the previous posts, and there were some paragraphs regarding to Vista. Can someone let me know more about it? I little of it. I have seen some skins, some demos, and heard about some features, but that is all. Is anyone more informed than me? I am sure you are. Give me a hand with this
When I first bought my computer it came with pre-stalled windows. At that time I did'nt know anything about using a PC. I learnt using it by just trying out everything, whatever I liked and eventually learnt most of the things in a few months. But still I did'nt know what an OS was. I just thought computer was computer thats it all computers work same way. After that I learnt about different OSs and other stuff, then tried linux with the same computer newbie attitude, tried out everything I thought of and I equally know linux(only one particular distro) as much as windows. It makes no difference. I just want an OS.
Linux !=windows
But Windows = OS and LINUX = OS
Linux !=windows
But Windows = OS and LINUX = OS
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For me Linux and Windows are a bit similar, although there are obvious differences (ie open source in Linux's case). Linux seems to be reasonably good coding wise, but the prob IMO would the lack of programs tailored for it (considering it aint a major OS)... Although I do like the Lindows hybrid.Link: view Post: 240611
I love windows I'm so used to it I know some people say its similar in a way to linux I just can't see that, I am so satisfied with windows
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In the same way, well-meaning Linux newcomers make suggestions about making Linux more like what they're used to. And they get nowhere, for all the same reasons. Linux and Windows might both be used for the same purposes, but so are a car & motorbike. That doesn't mean you can swap directly from one to the other, and it doesn't mean features can or should be swapped directly from one to the other.
No No I think Linux is better in networking and web servers than windows
I agree with almost everything here that shoots down windows. they monopolize everything. although they are cheap and pretty much the most common os, that does not make them the greatest by any means. infact, i believe that almost every os trumps them because windows is too easy that a monkey could learn it, and with ease comes painfully long steps for users who know what they are doing. by elimiating that, and making the user learn, an os maker gains an advantage in all the peoples minds who actually know what they are doing.
Take OS X, for instance. they were the first, and by far stil the greatest, but the only reason windows is ahead is because it was built for people who didnt know what the hell they were doing. its a completely new-user related os. and because it attracted people for being so, software companies went with windows for the most money. however, now OS X is coming back and linux is not far behind...
And with linux, its an overall great os. perfect for stable users who know what they are doing. although it takes time to learn because most people are adjusted to windows, it becomes easy with use, just as windows did when you first used it (although for me, it came naturally)
And because of all of that, windows was able to gather a crowd, monopolize, and dominate everything...yes everything...
Take OS X, for instance. they were the first, and by far stil the greatest, but the only reason windows is ahead is because it was built for people who didnt know what the hell they were doing. its a completely new-user related os. and because it attracted people for being so, software companies went with windows for the most money. however, now OS X is coming back and linux is not far behind...
And with linux, its an overall great os. perfect for stable users who know what they are doing. although it takes time to learn because most people are adjusted to windows, it becomes easy with use, just as windows did when you first used it (although for me, it came naturally)
And because of all of that, windows was able to gather a crowd, monopolize, and dominate everything...yes everything...
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I agree with what you are saying, but if this TPM chip gets activated it will change the way we use our computers. it will only allow what the controllers want us to do with our computers.Look I have been a computer engineer for over 16 years and I have also taught computer sicence I have seen the controllers change the way computers are used and what we can use them for through these years. this is just another way for them to slowly control any computer they want!
Think about this!
If Microsoft forces all thier venders to install Vista in all of thier computers, like Dell, Hp, and others this will give Microsoft a great advantage of control, maybe they don't care about Linux but with this chip they can even prevent Linux from being installed on any of their computers.
Maybe no more Duel Booting, because Linux won't be able to access vista's encrypted hard drive.
I think Linux is great but if Trusted Computing has full contol over the user we all lose Linux included!
Image if vista was installed on a computer then you wanted to install Linux maybe you would get a new hard drive oh! wait, the TPM chip won't let you install it!
I don't think we need hardware control! whats next! control over what we can watch! wait, they already have that is called HD DVD and other encryptions.
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Microsoft will certainly not do anything like that because the PC s are meant to be upgradable usable as per one's desire. Otherwise people would simpoly buy macs because with their parallelize feature they allow dual booting with Vista. Anyways Microsoft would not have many supporters. Also companies like Dell are already offering desktops preloaded with Linux. So there is definitely a market there. And it can only grow bigger. On the other hand Microsoft continues to make enemies. And few would ever agree to shut Linux out.
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Microsoft will certainly not do anything like that because the PC s are meant to be upgradable usable as per one's desire. Otherwise people would simpoly buy macs because with their parallelize feature they allow dual booting with Vista. Anyways Microsoft would not have many supporters. Also companies like Dell are already offering desktops preloaded with Linux. So there is definitely a market there. And it can only grow bigger. On the other hand Microsoft continues to make enemies. And few would ever agree to shut Linux out.Microsoft certainly will. They already have. You can't upgrade components after installing the WGA, for example, because modifying the system counts as installing it on a separate system, even if it is not actually re-installed.
People would not "simply buy macs", because the most part of Windows users have absolutely no idea what an operating system is, let alone how to install one (which they have to do to get the dual boot on the Mac, right?).
Microsoft does not have supporters. They have sheeple. Anyone who is actually knowledgeable enough to have an opinion on Windows must have tried something else, so they at least have something to compare it to, right? And most people I know who have tried something else for more than a few weeks have stayed with it.
Dell is buying licenses for SuSE from Novell, but due to Novell being @$$r4p'd by Microsoft, the deal goes via M$ rather than directly between Dell and Novell. This is one reason Novell is hated by a large and growing number of people. M$ is making money from Dell selling Linux pre-installed.
Personally I think that M$ is an incredible company, no matter how evil they are (Yes, I hate them with a passion). They have taken a hostile situation and are making money from it. They got the "deal" with Novell quite some time before Dell started all the fuss about selling Linux pre-installed, and they are now gaining money from their "competing", as far as anything open source can be said to compete, operating system gaining users. And they don't even have to provide support for it.
More related to the thread, Linux != Windows simply because Linux is not trying to be Windows. The goal of most Linux distributions is to present a realistic alternative to Windows, and most of them are better - just because something better than something else can't be identical to that which it is better than. Again, I link to http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm .
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