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[LocalSeer]

I wonder why most people prefer real time strategies. It's really just a clicking contest. My votes for turn based, and I'd like to know why people like rts so much. They are enjoyable, but just can't compete with turn based yet. Yet just look at trap17.com forums, no turn based subforum for game like civilization 1-4, heroes of might and magic1-5, lords of the realm1-3 among some popular ones. I'm glad at least they put a forum for the turn based strategy Army System used on this forum. But what makes halo, command and conquer, or other individual games more worthy of a subforum then the whole turn based strategy genre. I just want to note I don't have anything against real time strategy and I enjoy those games too.

[amhso]

I prefer RTS because it's faster and usually more pressuring to play

[research2012]

I love Civ(Civilization) from 1-4 and I have yet to play 4! I agree (even though I voted both) I like turn based because of the fact that RTS IS kinda first to click or fastest clicker. I have played over 5000+ hours of Civilization and over 2000 hours of other Turn based strategy games but only about 1700 hours of warcraft, starcraft and other RTS games at an average in the past. I still play Civ I once a week on CivNet with my buddies on the east coast.

[Glockmeister]

Turn Based Strategy is pretty much dead (aside from the Civ series). RTS are designed with fast, quick thinking, which most people prefer. It's also a ton more faster, more dyamic, and generally just plain better.

[rvalkass]

I like both real time and turn based stategy games. I enjoy playing the army system and some similar games, but I also like playing games like Age Of Mythology and the other RTSs.

They are not just a 'clicking contest'. There are large amounts of thought and logic that are needed to play the games, and they are also more involving and pressurising on the player. The army system takes a few clicks once in a while to attack other players, yet with RTSs you get to see the battle and change your strategy throughout to increase your chances of winning.

[LocalSeer]

rvalkass, on Nov 10 2005, 03:23 PM, said:

I like both real time and turn based stategy games. I enjoy playing the army system and some similar games, but I also like playing games like Age Of Mythology and the other RTSs.

They are not just a 'clicking contest'. There are large amounts of thought and logic that are needed to play the games, and they are also more involving and pressurising on the player. The army system takes a few clicks once in a while to attack other players, yet with RTSs you get to see the battle and change your strategy throughout to increase your chances of winning.

It seems like you are trying to base your whole opinion on the army system which is meant to be played a minute or two each day. Try the game heroes of might and magic IV. I find that in rts its really hard to pull of tactics such as flanking or such, but in turn based you have such precision you can calculate tactics very proficently. Turn based dosen't mean you don't see the battle, my heroes example in fact has battles ranging many turns with each unit having unique abilities and seperate movement. I don't really see how you plan to change strategy in rts, you basically grab your force and set them against the enemy, once it begins its hard to manuever.

In addition I want to add to my first list of great turn based games, space empries(which is the most customizable game ever with great multiplayer, 5th version coming out soon), chess(5 minute chess can make you think fast too), bridge, and Moo3(quite buged but most fixed in mods).

[iGuest]

You should try to play an rts like age of empires 3. By far the slowest rts, you can flank and do whatever you want, make formations, or change your unit stances. Harass and use of miners is also important. If you don't like resources some games like starwars and warhammer have cut those out. All in all these games cut out some strategy from a faster paced one. Before you criticize these games for lack of strategy read a forum of said game.

-reply by fdsadad

[iGuest]

Main Difference
Rts(real Time Strategy) Vs Tbs(turn Based Strateg)

Replying to rvalkass

Ok! most of the people are like Strategy games,but for me I Choose RTS Because I can Rely some main Tactics,less turn,Offense or Defense Chances, and most of all More Realistic than TBS,because TBS have a lack of Realism of its Gameplay,ability creation and Forgot anything

-reply by George

[iGuest]

My first foray into either game on any serious level was Dune 2 back in the early 90s.  I was hooked by the strategy involved and have been ever since. It is wrong to say there is a lack of strategy in RTS but it is true to say that you do not need strategy to win. Winning with as little damage to your own army as possible though is where a strategic approach comes in and a well planned defense and well executed attack can be very satisfying and that is what makes RTS games very addictive for me.

My first stab at TBS was with Colonization and I loved it too. It is hard to compare the two game styles really. It was a totally different experience yet an equally satisfying gaming experince in it's own right.   TBS is really an evolution of Chess, I guess but even those who have never achieved Check-Mate might enjoy these if they game them a go.

I feel a big problem with the perception of preference between the two game styles has become something akin to a 'them and us' mentality. It is like comparing GTA:III/SA/IV with first person shooters.  Both are excellent game styles that offer a unique experience.   I would ask those that have chosen a preference to let that go and just try and enjoy the games for what they are.  There are plenty of bad examples of RTS and TBS out there anyway.  

Happy gaming!

-reply by Darren

[zakaluka]

While I do play and enjoy both kinds of games, I prefer turn-based strategy games. I like to have time to think about potential choices and paths, then decide on what I think will be the best choice. Too many RTSes (at least recently) remind of the fast-paced action normally reserved for FPSes.

Regards,

z.