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[Alex_W]

I am a canadian and i have been hearing all this bad stuff about canadians not joining the war in Iraq and then I seen a TV show making fun of canadians on Live Television. The reason we didnt join the war was because we are not the country to start up stuff. We are a Peace Keeping country. Why did they ask us and not any other country like Europe to help. The reason we didnt help was because this is not our war its the U.S. They have a big army which is 5 times the size of ours. If we have went over there, we would of lost men. We power the whole Eastern Side of the U.S so in that way we are helping. They are helping us by giving us some of there cars. I am not trying to make everybody mad here but why are we making such a big deal about this. We should just stop and just forgot what happened cause that is now over.

[jlhaslip]

And I am Cdn as well.

An interesting point about Canada being criticised over not joining the US in the Iraqi thing is that before the US got involved, there was about 40% of their own population against the action. That'd be 40 % of about 250 million plus people, or about three times our entire population.

I sure hope they get out of there soon and it all works out. For them and the Iraqi citizens...

[ongnoai]

Alex_W, on Dec 6 2005, 03:51 AM, said:

I am a canadian and i have been hearing all this bad stuff about canadians not joining the war in Iraq and then I seen a TV show making fun of canadians on Live Television.  The reason we didnt join the war was because we are not the country to start up stuff.  We are a Peace Keeping country.  Why did they ask us and not any other country like Europe to help.  The reason we didnt help was because this is not our war its the U.S. They have a big army which is 5 times the size of ours.  If we have went over there, we would of lost men.  We power the whole Eastern Side of the U.S so in that way we are helping.  They are helping us by giving us some of there cars.  I am not trying to make everybody mad here but why are we making such a big deal about this.  We should just stop and just forgot what happened cause that is now over.

Canadian fellows, I'm not sure if a Swiss (i.e. neutral) opinion might do any good. What I think is this administration has quickly become an expert at diverting people's attention from the main subjects so that they keep their hands free to tackle what they consider the main matters. Item: having people mixed up about Al Qaeda and Sadam. Item: making Iraq and terrorism the same thing. And so on, and so forth. The problem, folks, is not they're right or wrong. What's really amazing and worrying is many, many americans are willing to comply to what they're told by the administration. And that's always very, very dangerous for freedom.

So, I would say that for the moment, you Canadians will have to stand your ground in front of american criticism. What will happen is this topic will somehow sooner or later fade out to be replaced by another one that the administration fancies to toss to future voters.

[Saint_Michael]

well i ahvn't been seeing that lately or i might be missing it sometimes but actually not all americans agree about the war. iraq should have been left alone from the beginning our job was afghanistan only and we succeded very quickly in getting most of them and getting rid of the control their, but bush's stupid your know what needed to finish a war his daddy started. Hell i did my time in iraq lucky for me I guess it wasn't as bad as it is now, glad i don't have to go over their again.

But I agree stand your ground and don't get involved wit hte war in iraq but get involve in preventing terrorism at home, i been hearing that quite a few terror cells are hanging around canada just waiting or suplly money and stuff.

[ongnoai]

Saint_Michael, on Dec 6 2005, 10:49 AM, said:

well i ahvn't been seeing that lately or i might be missing it sometimes but actually not all americans agree about the war.

Well, St-Michael, seen from a foreigner's viewpoint, I quite agree hat most americans in an eye-to-eye talk will act and talk as sensibly as you do. Now, taken as a whole community, the politically correct US attitude is seemingly to equate slight doubts with bitter criticism and mild criticism with an elaborate and devious form of terrorism. I'm referring ONLY to what I've seen and heard up to now about this uncanny war. I think it's a bit unfair to bite at Canadians just because they might not share the "public" US opinion about it, isn't it? I can remember a time when most americans had a way to exercize judgment and free-thinking. I'm sure it hasn't vanished, but had to go undercover.

[Sprnknwn]

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Why did they ask us and not any other country like Europe to help

First of all Europe is not only one country.

Secondly, Bush administration did ask european countries to join. And some of them (us) joined thanks to presidents with small brain content, such as the ¿laborist? prime minister Tony Blair and our old and stupid José Maria Aznar ("Ansar" is how Busch called him). I admire those countries which didn´t joint Bush in that particular crusade, like Canada, France or Germany. Nad that have good results too... maybe some sectors in the US hat you for that, but keeping neutral Canada gets a lot of respect because nowadays the easiest way is to do what the american president say. Believe me, I´m spanish and I feel ashamed for my country supporting that war, although I never voted that government.

And I have to say that from a european point of view, canadians look more friendly and less paranoiac than your fellows from the states. Although you all have the same face in South Park

[no9t9]

Before the war in Iraq, I would say that Canadian and US people were pretty similar and the two countries did not differ much in opinions. Everyone always regarded Canada as the 51st state. And to be honest, it was true. Canada's culture was really the same as American culture. People acted and thought like Americans.

AFTER the war in Iraq, I've noticed the two countries go farther and farther apart. The war really divided Canadians and the Americans. Now a lot of Canadians think very poorly of Americans who support the war. In fact, the war has divided America itself. I don't think in all the history of the country has it been so divided in their views and attitudes (besides the civil war). So Canada is still the 51st state but belonging to the state of liberals (ie. the east and west coast).

Canada has won much respect in the international community by NOT joining the war in Iraq. The world knows that Iraq war was wrong and those who joined were not doing it for the right reasons. Canada can thank Cretien for standing his ground and supporting the opinions of its citizens (unlike the US).

[xxbabygirlxx]

Canadians RULEEE what!

No offence but come on it just makes Amercians look so bad when they hired bush wow what an idiot there.

Can u beleive that amercians use means of torture..to get informatin out of people i mean come on kinaping people and flying "secrete" planes to torture them...that's not a civilize country that's something China would do..lol

[moldboy]

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that's something China would do

Okay first of all, ouch, racist.

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TV show making fun of canadians on Live Television.

Okay, but you gotta admit that we make our fair share of shows that make fun of Americans. Chilly Beach, for example, or even better yet, Rick Mercer's Talking to Americans (I love that show)

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Canada can thank Cretien for standing his ground and supporting the opinions of its citizens (unlike the US).

Not a lot of us would thank Chretien for all that much, but I do have to agree with you. I also feel that not only has he saved us from political oppression, he may have also stopped a terrorist attach on Canadian soil. Or it could be the theory that terrorist organizations have established themselves in Canada, and don't want to attack the "mother country" so to speak . Maybe this isn't something I should be sharing, for matters of national security reasons, but how's this,

this is what the Canada US border looks like in the less secure areas.

So I don't think that over all this is that big an issue. As the COUNTRY of Canada we have the right to choose who we go to war with, and who we remain neutral with. And frankly just because big brother to the south says so, isn't a very good reason.

[xxbabygirlxx]

moldboy, on Dec 7 2005, 12:47 AM, said:

Okay first of all, ouch, racist.

Okay, but you gotta admit that we make our fair share of shows that make fun of Americans.  Chilly Beach, for example, or even better yet, Rick Mercer's Talking to Americans (I love that show)

Not a lot of us would thank Chretien for all that much, but I do have to agree with you.  I also feel that not only has he saved us from political oppression, he may have also stopped a terrorist attach on Canadian soil.  Or it could be the theory that terrorist organizations have established themselves in Canada, and don't want to attack the "mother country" so to speak  .  Maybe this isn't something I should be sharing, for matters of national security reasons, but how's this,

this is what the Canada US border looks like in the less secure areas.

So I don't think that over all this is that big an issue.  As the COUNTRY of Canada we have the right to choose who we go to war with, and who we remain neutral with.  And frankly just because big brother to the south says so, isn't a very good reason.

how is that racist that's a known fact that China's serious human rights problems ..everyone knows that.