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[semeticsister]

Yesterday, I was re-reading Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, and I have deduced that Snape's allegiences indeed lie with the Order of the Phoenix. Here is why:


At the top of the Astronomy Tower near the end of the book, Dumbledore admits to Malfoy that he knew about the mission Voldemort entrusted to Malfoy. However, he knew that Malfoy is not a murderer and therefore would not kill dumbledore, so he asked snape to kill dumbledore instead so that Malfoy would not be killed by Voldemort. Coincidentally, Snape had made an unbreakable vow to Narcissa Malfoy to do the job. So Dumbledore knew all along that snape was going to kill him, so that Voldemort would spare Draco's life. So you see, Dumbledore died to save a student.

Any other theories for this?

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Edited by KuBi, 06 January 2006 - 01:36 AM.

[Plenoptic]

Ya I believe you are correct. Plus I think that because Snape is supposedly working undercover for both sides, but hopefully is reallyl working for Dumbledore, he had to act as though he was helping out Voldemort because otherwise they would find that Snape really was helping Dumbledore. So he really could still be good.

[bucksta]

i dont know much about harry potter but ya that sounds convincing. all the proof is there. i didnt even notice. i gotta reread book 6 too.

[thewebber1988]

I never looked at it that way. I've got to show every Harry Potter fan I know this thread, it is that convicing. thewebber1988

[far3]

i was so angry at dumbledore dieing first black now dumbledore, I bet that sirius black will return in the next installment..the latest book was an amazing read even thought it was spolied to me by like 5 of my friends >.<

[Saint_Michael]

even though this is a grest series please, if jk brought back dumbledore you think mayne his parents are in hiding and are waiting for harry to become strong enough so all three of them can beat voldamort.

anyways hes not innocent he killed dumbledore to save his own life and in the final showdown harry will finish him off and then goes on to killing voldemort but to do it he uses all the powe he has and thus dying himself.

[brandice]

And you know that Dumbledore was going to die anyway, right? The fight with Voldermort that left his hand sort of decaying- I think he was actually dead from the beginning of the book, sort of.

It also goes back to the first book, if you remember, one of the first things that Snape was talking about in his class was how potions could give you fame and 'put a stopper on death'... We'll find out in the next book that Snape was actually keeping Dumbledore alive in most of book 6- just long enough to teach Harry what he needs to do in book 7.

[bucksta]

in the latest harry potter books, everybody keeps dying. somebody is probably gonna die in the 7th book. harry potter only got good starting with the 4th book, where all the really wierd things have started happening. so far i love the harry potter series and will keep reading it. i already have all 6 books (only 6th is hardcover) and i dont think im gonna sell them any time soon.

[semeticsister]

You guys got it all wrong! When Snape said that you could "put a stopper on death", he just meant that as a metaphor for making a potion that can kill you, thus the "stopper" part. (FYI, a stopper is a thing you stick in the top of the bottle, sort of like a cork). So

[Peaktao]

I never look at it that way either.

I think Snape is bad. Didn't he even say...he had been in the school to make dumbledore trust him. Ah well, everything was all (for snape) pointing to the direction that he should kill dumbledore esp with the return of the Dark Lord.
He was probably bound to be killed by the Dark Lord, if he didn't kill dumbledore coz then he wouldn't have an excuse for being a betrayer.

[fffanatics]

Yeah that may really be correct since all along Snape has been portrayed as a bad person because that is what Harry thinks. However, it would make sense that he really isnt then. Good point.

[leiaah]

Snape is bad! I thought at first he's not because he helped out Harry with occlumency in book 5 and that he's only bad to Harry because of his anger to James Potter but now I think he really is a villain. Now that Dumbledore is dead I'm not sure who Harry's father figure would be, maybe Lupin, maybe even Snape after he redeemed himself.

[SolarX]

There is a whole website about the "Dumbledore-Snape conflict" where someone trys to proof that snape is innocent and has looked on every detail in the books.

Here is the link: http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com

[Dooga]

Darn, I was going to give the same link. But I did enjoy reading it, and I knew all along that Snape was always innocent. After all, he just *likes* to torture Harry... Snape is my favorite character!

[Cool_Freaker]

Yeah, I find it hard to believe that Snape would be fully bad working for Voldemort. I have a feeling though, Harry will probably chase him down and kill him, but find out he was good too late.

[brandice]

SolarX, on Jan 5 2006, 04:05 PM, said:

There is a whole website about the "Dumbledore-Snape conflict" where someone trys to proof that snape is innocent and has looked on every detail in the books.

Here is the link: http://www.dumbledoreisnotdead.com

Wow. Thanks for this link, it's bringing up so many possiblities. I'm in the middle of reading the article " Dumbledore's Horcrux" and I just let out a loud "Ahaaaa!"

I thought I had a pretty good idea of what was going to happen, I think I was on the right path, but this is a great twist that i hadn't thought about. I really hope that the topic of this article is the case.

I've read about how people want Harry's parents to come back to life but I don't believe that should happen. Dumbledore, though.. it's all starting to make sense.

Do you think it's possible that none of the theories that have been presented are actually going to happen and we will all be surprised? It has to be something like the thoughts on this website.

[Albus Dumbledore]

ive been to the link above...and read it before..even before i saw that site i had that thought in my mind because on the site it says *not exactly* With the normal killing curse the person would just drop dead on wherever they are.. but when snape did it dumbledore flew into the air over the side of the astronomy tower..and then fell... that was the only thing i had in my mind, i didn't even think of the rest of the stuff but it was good when i read it.. ermm, but i do not believe that he is acculy dead..with the fact of the differenses in the curses, but rowling has supprised us before with the fact that as long as those who believe in him he will never be gone, and..another thing is fawks..as soon as dumbledores died he came soaring around the school singing, maybe it is a side of the Pheonix's that we do not know about... there could be MANY things leading people to believe that he is dead, or that he isn't dead..but i personally believe that he is not acculy dead but just call me crazy

(i am going to start reading the books over again for the erm like 11th time now hehe)

as for snape..i dun really care who's side he is on....he is good in my book >_< i love the curses that he came up with hehe

[brandice]

I think Snape is good. as I may have said somewhere before here, I believe that Dumbledore was actually dead/dying for the entire book 6, as seen in his decaying hand. Snape was keeping him alive with the potion that he explained in his first class of the first book. This Fawkes is a horcrux theory sort of explains why Dumbledore had Snape 'kill him' at the time that he did, he's still got a lot to tell Harry.

[Florisjuh]

This topic contains some great opinions and material, thanks for all the people who posted here.

I'm a Harry Potter fan myself as well, and I think Dumbledore (Never read the book in english so all the names are new ^^, I should read it in english once tho..) isn't dead, and Snape isnt evil either. I'm affraid we need to wait for the new HP book to come out so we can all get relieved.

[FLaKes]

Dont you think it would be interesting if the movie director and the author suddenly decided to change the outcome of a movie in some way that doesnt affect the whole novel?

The ending of the sixth movie was also spoiled for me as someone told it to me when I didnt care/like harry potter movies. It would be interesting if it was fake and the movie had a different outcome, though I really doubt it could ever be possible. It would be fun though, just to throw the audience a curve ball.

[Albus Dumbledore]

FLaKes, on Feb 8 2006, 10:26 AM, said:

The ending of the sixth movie was also spoiled for me as someone told it to me when I didnt care/like harry potter movies. It would be interesting if it was fake and the movie had a different outcome, though I really doubt it could ever be possible. It would be fun though, just to throw the audience a curve ball.

the first bold should be book :-p neways! lol

no i do not believe that that would be possible to change the outcome of the movies...i believe that the authors of books who make deals with movie companies to produce movies for their novels had signed a contract or somthing saying that they could not really change the movie in any way shape or form that is wayy to different from the novels..ii personally think that would be totaly stupid just because i would want to see what acculy happens in the novels in the movies not somthing totaly different...

i do not think that dumbledore wa dieing throughout the 6th books, he was just injured in hs hand from destroying the horcrux that was in the ring..or he could have been dieing and that is why he had told harry no matter what shove the liquid down my throat.. (although he was just a brave person neways) and also just to go after the horcrux in the first place..because if the ring did that to his hand lord knows what might happen the next time he trys to do somthing!

[LigaCUC]

I had heard and read that Snape is inocent, and that he killed Dumbledore to make Voldemort trust on him, so then, he would know all his plans to notice Harry them ...

What fo you think?

[iGuest]

semeticsister: so close. nice duduction.
Harry Potter 6 Spoilers!

Your very close. However. My theory is that dumble door knew his life must end therefor he made severus promis to do the job. For his, and every one elses, sake. A quick, painless death. No more sufforing from untold horrors.

-reply by mara

[iGuest]

i agree and disagreeHarry Potter 6 Spoilers!

yeah maybe, dumbledore has always spies, and snape is one of it. Snape was a darkeater before, and now a prof. Of  Hogwarts becuase of dumbledore. Dumbledore has forgiven snape despite his actions before,but that was bec of his hatred towards James. 

I think, he's right. Snape did his job to save malfoy, and eye on "he who must not be named"(hehe) as well.

but I don't think so...That dumbledore will die.. Maybe playing dead around... And trust Harry to handle the job..To kill "he who must not be named"

[iGuest]

About Hary Potter 6Harry Potter 6 Spoilers!

Really.. Dumbledore was inching closer and closer to death, as you watched the movie.That blackness on his hand just got worse and worse. By the time Snape killed Dumbledore, dumbledore was probably just days from death anyway.Being the Half blood Prince, doesn't follow anything much.I believe more then one of you are either right on, or close. Or all right at one time,In your own ways. If dumbledore died, it would make it that much more difficult to Find that,, Ora? One of the many things keeping (You Know Who) Coming back,And alive. I do not believe dumbledore will be coming back. I believe dumbledore Let the information with one other sole, which he gave Harry a hint to, who takingOver his post as head master.Anyways,, hope this helps.

Fievel (D, Edward Strausser.)

-reply by Dennis E Strausser Jr