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[mayank]

Hey guyz!

Do you hate Internet explorer? or do you want other people to stop using Internet explorer and make them switch to another browser? If yes, then here's the time to show your support.
I've started a campaign in which I am requesting people to stop using Internet Explorer, I am sure that most of us know why we've got to do this...I know most of us are intelligent

I think if anyone thinks the way I think..must take part in this campaign and must make other people aware about this...and help them to make a switch!

Here's the link to the campaign - FLING IE

[tt3]

mayank, on Feb 19 2006, 07:49 PM, said:

Hey guyz!

Do you hate Internet explorer? or do you want other people to stop using Internet explorer and make them switch to another browser? If yes, then here's the time to show your support.
I've started a campaign in which I am requesting people to stop using Internet Explorer, I am sure that most of us know why we've got to do this...I know most of us are intelligent

I think if anyone thinks the way I think..must take part in this campaign and must make other people aware about this...and help them to make a switch!

Here's the link to the campaign - FLING IE

Oh, come on! Are you really that passionate about browsers? As soon as Internet Explorer 7 is released, I'm dumping Firefox and switching back to IE! There is nothing wrong with using Internet Explorer! It's still a pretty decent browser, though lacking in features. In fact I think I'll register my support on spreadinternetexplorer.com just for the sake of it!

[Tyssen]

tt3, on Feb 20 2006, 06:22 AM, said:

There is nothing wrong with using Internet Explorer!

Except that it doesn't support all the W3C standards and that includes IE7.

[xaetos]

..Honestly, if people want to bring misery and difficulty upon themselves by using IE, then thats their choice. Who am I, or you, for that matter, to tell them what is better? They'll figure it out on their own, eventually. And if they don't, what does it matter to you?

[jlhaslip]

The part that matters to us is what Tyssen mentioned. IE5, IE6, and IE7 are all going to be non-compliant Browsers and it will only compound the difficulties that Web Designers have trying to make their sites work on the web. If the State or country you live in required you to drive in reverse on Tuesday and Wednesday of every week, would you like it? That's how knowledgeable web designers feel about IE. Like they are moving in reverse, back a decade to where every Browser had a differnt set of rules, so it was very difficult to design and code sites. Apparently IE7 is no different. They are refusing to use the standards which have been set for Browsers. Besides, Mr Gates doesn't need any more of my money. He must be getting close to having enough.

[Tyssen]

xaetos, on Feb 20 2006, 10:10 AM, said:

..Honestly, if people want to bring misery and difficulty upon themselves by using IE, then thats their choice. Who am I, or you, for that matter, to tell them what is better? They'll figure it out on their own, eventually. And if they don't, what does it matter to you?

I'm all for people having their own choice and not having others' preferences forced upon them and while I'm a fan of Firefox I'm also not the sort of person to actively support anti-IE campaigns.
But to answer your question, one of the reasons why it should matter is because IE's failure to fall into line with every other browser maker and adhere to W3C standards is actually hampering the advancement of the Internet. And some people believe that they're actually doing it on purpose.
Companies like Google are working on technologies that would see applications delivered over the Internet, with the eventual outcome being that you probably wouldn't need an operating system anymore which will obviously have a serious impact on Microsoft's core business.

[shigajet]

As much as I'm a Firefox user myself, most people in the world use IE. As well, there are some sites that require IE and wouldn't work on other browswers.

I'll gladly support the campaign for others to stop using IE, but it may still be a long way before everyone abolishes IE once and for all - especially with IE 7 / Windows Vista on the horizon.

[terminal2k]

I would support an anti-IE campaign, people should speak out against things that don't work properly, don't follow the rules and are so insecure they have to release a bug fix patch every 5 minutes (ok maybe every 10 minutes ). People these days don't speak up when they receive a bad product or service, as a result, companies keep getting rich off sub-standard products

[mayank]

@ tt3 : I think the other responces have already given you my answer

@ Tyssen, xaetos, jlhaslip, shigajet, terminal2k : That is why I've started this campaign!

Well, my motive is to stop people from using IE...now the story is not that long...

Why I jumped into this : Well, I was in techincal support of HP laptopts and almost every call we used to get was related to something like..popups, porn pictures and all spyware stuff....and the reason for that was that people used to visit all kind of rubbish websites using Internet explorer and due to that there computers got infected with spywares.

So, I thought that there must be campagin which must stop people from using IE and then I got this idea from one of the website and thought that this a nice way and this way...more and more people will get aware of that fact!

Now, coming to IE 7 : as Tyssen & jlhaslip have mentioned..that it also fails to support the standards and secondly..no matter...how secure Microsoft people will make it....there will be always a security hole and SPYWARE people will not hesitate to use that! The reason for that is that still IE is most used browser and SPYWARE makers actually target it!

[nelarozi]

Internet explorer is too old to be of any use! In the next version uncle bill will copy firefox solutions and thats not ok! If you compare Firefox vs Internet explorer you will see that Firefox is much more faster, realible and it has pages within the one wingow . That why i recommend firefox to every one i know

[mayank]

well, it is good to see that most of us beleive this way that there is a different browser which is better than IE..But nelarozi, how can you say that Bill gates will copy solutions of Firefox? is there any source?

One more thing...I'll like to thank jlhaslip for actually putting the code on his website and also letting me know a small bug in the code!

Also, if anyone puts the code..or helps this campaign..in anyway..then please PM me or mail me and I'll be glad to put there website's link on my site!

[tt3]

It's one thing not to like Internet Explorer. I don't use it at home myself, but to start a campaign against it? Wouldn't it be a better idea to start a campaign to improve Internet Explorer further?

[mayank]

Well, tt3 I really appreciate your way of thinking of starting a campagin to improve IE..but you see there is a problem and that is there is not an easy way to develop the extensions for IE and due to that lots of programmers dont find it easy to make internet explorer better.
It is upto microsoft who will actually do something to make it better!
Now, what is the plus point Firefox is having an option to develop the extensions and by not supporting ActiveX..this way it is easy for young developers to actually develop the extensions and because firefox doesnt support ActiveX..there are less chances of having spyware in your computer

[sm00nie]

As a site developer I totally despise IE for their lack of following the W3C standards. I waste a lot of time making things compatible with IE (custom hacks, layout manipulations, etc..) just to make everything work as it should. All the while Opera, Mozilla, and Mac based browsers function flawlessly.

I support the campaign.. Fling IE!!!

[jlhaslip]

smoonie: try IE/Mac 5.0 some time

Mayank: I have the code inserted on a sample page that I wrote to reply to as member's topic about iframe inclusion on their web page.

check this out

So if I include the code on multiple pages of a site, will this image time-out after 20 seconds on each and every page? Or is it shown for 20 seconds only per web-site?
Another (newbie) question: What happens if a user clicks on the same space as the image takes up on the layout after the image times-out?

[mayank]

Well, Jim If you include the code on multiple pages of a site the image will time out on each and every page after 20 seconds!

And, after the image times-out..your page will work normally..It wont interfere in between at all!

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smoonie: try IE/Mac 5.0 some time

I think Microsoft has stopped the development of Internet explorer for MAC! I am not sure though!

[ameribass]

Although I rarely use Internet Explorer, I still don't think that it's as bad as people say it is. I regularly use Mozilla Firefox and I'm completely satisfied with it, but don't think that it's exponentially better than Internet Explorer 6. Once IE7 comes out, I think that the gap will be bridged even closer if not all the way. And enough about the security holes. Every program out there has security exploits, but Internet Explorer has the highest rate as it has the highest market share and hackers devote more of their time developing security exploits for the program that has the greatest audience of users that they can reach. It's simple really, just as OSX is "hacker-proof" and Windows is "an invitation to hackers". Anyways, I think that some people are just over-reacting to Internet Explorer just because they listen to what some ignorant individuals have to say. If you don't like the browser, then just don't use it. Nobody is forcing you, and I know that as a fact because no one forces me.

[tt3]

ameribass, on Feb 20 2006, 07:16 PM, said:

Although I rarely use Internet Explorer, I still don't think that it's as bad as people say it is. I regularly use Mozilla Firefox and I'm completely satisfied with it, but don't think that it's exponentially better than Internet Explorer 6. Once IE7 comes out, I think that the gap will be bridged even closer if not all the way. And enough about the security holes. Every program out there has security exploits, but Internet Explorer has the highest rate as it has the highest market share and hackers devote more of their time developing security exploits for the program that has the greatest audience of users that they can reach. It's simple really, just as OSX is "hacker-proof" and Windows is "an invitation to hackers". Anyways, I think that some people are just over-reacting to Internet Explorer just because they listen to what some ignorant individuals have to say. If you don't like the browser, then just don't use it. Nobody is forcing you, and I know that as a fact because no one forces me.

Partly true, but it cannot be denied that Internet Explorer has had shockingly bad security. IE still has more holes than Mozilla, and as the latter is open-source, wouldn't it be easier to find vulnurabilities in it? Having said that, I've never had my system 'hacked' due to hackers exploiting a hole in Internet Explorer and I don't like the idea of people trying to get other people to ditch IE! To me, it's like being told how to think. Right now, Internet Explorer is a lot safer, and with tabbed browsing coming in (which wasn't a feature invented by Mozilla), I can see Internet Explorer gaining popularity.

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Well, tt3 I really appreciate your way of thinking of starting a campagin to improve IE..but you see there is a problem and that is there is not an easy way to develop the extensions for IE and due to that lots of programmers dont find it easy to make internet explorer better.
It is upto microsoft who will actually do something to make it better!

Sorry, that it is what I meant to say - I was suggesting that a campaign be started to get Microsoft to fix the problems you're all having with IE. As it has something like majority market share, it should at least be very near perfect!

[conret]

wow it is like the battle of the web browsers. I really don't think the browser is that important to start a campain over it. Firefox hase been getting many downloads but once IE 7 comes out firefox will be out of biz. I think IE is original that is why it will stay plus most of the people don't bother going throught all this changes. Cmon how many of the people are into browsers so much to change to firefox and then chenge back to IE 7?

[Tyssen]

tt3, on Feb 20 2006, 10:53 PM, said:

Wouldn't it be a better idea to start a campaign to improve Internet Explorer further?

Developers have been clamouring for years about changes that IE developers need to make to their product and as I pointed out earlier, there's probably a reason why their requests have fallen on deaf ears.

Conret, Mozilla is open source - it's not a business. And you've just contradicted yourself. You say cos IE is the original, most people will stick with it, but then you say:

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Cmon how many of the people are into browsers so much to change to firefox and then chenge back to IE 7?

which means that all those who now have FF won't bother going back to IE7 when it comes out.

Mayank, MS has stopped support for IE Mac and now advises people to use Safari instead.

[Cena_54]

Many many years from now, Firefox will rule the browsing world, everyone should spread the word about Firefox, as this is the number one browser at the moment, it has everything Internet Explorer has and more. It has a much cleaner interface and isnt congested. Firefox will be number one in many many years to come.

[tt3]

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Cmon how many of the people are into browsers so much to change to firefox and then chenge back to IE 7?

What if there was a new browser which was so much better in Firefox in all ways. Would you ditch firefox and switch?

[Dragonfly]

I am not a big fan of internet explorer but in the mean time I don't see any reason for me to hate this browser. Long before firefox browser came out properly I had been using and it was of great help. In fact, more than 70% of internet users are still using the IE and one has to take care how these people are viewing my sites. So, I can't dumb this internet explorer at least for now. Of course, if one likes firefox doesn't mean they they have to hate other browsers.

What I hate on Firefox browser is that if I leave the window (browser) open with some sites and I come back to use it will give error, this problem happens all the time whereas IE windows can be used. And thereafter it will ask me to send report. Unless I restart my system the firefox won't work... this I hope will be improved soon.

[Tyssen]

Dragonfly, on Mar 13 2006, 03:54 AM, said:

What I hate on Firefox browser is that if I leave the window (browser) open with some sites and I come back to use it will give error, this problem happens all the time whereas IE windows can be used. And thereafter it will ask me to send report. Unless I restart my system the firefox won't work... this I hope will be improved soon.

Has it occurred to you that it might be a fault with your PC? I don't ever have that problem.

[zdrigui]

I cant tell you yet if i will continue using firefox or change to IE7, i like everything in IE7, much more pretty that firefox but the real problem of it is that its stills on development and so i has several bugs but i think in the end i will use it more frequently than firefox.