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[William91]

I think you should give us more credits on our post. The reason is I find it very difficult to com eon here every single day and think of something new to post. Its really hard and a long procress since you don't get credits in the forums that are easy to think of stuff to post. You have to post a paragraph atleast just to get one credit which seems not good enough. If I want to post something how is it possible to think of a few paraghraphs just so I can keep my hosting service?I would like it if you raised the creditting a little bit to make it a little easeir for us to keep our hosting account and remain active. Thank.

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Edited by William91, 10 March 2006 - 10:25 PM.

[Albus Dumbledore]

i agree that they should raise it up a little because ive only been here for a few months.. lol and ive posted allot of the things that i know and i find that it is getting more and more difficult to get new ideals for like tutorials, or even general talk..i still think that the movie review section *see previous suggestion on this forum* would be a good thing to have on here to help get credits etc....

[anwiii]

Albus Dumbledore, on Mar 8 2006, 05:20 PM, said:

i agree that they should raise it up a little because ive only been here for a few months.. lol and ive posted allot of the things that i know and i find that it is getting more and more difficult to get new ideals for like tutorials, or even general talk..i still think that the movie review section *see previous suggestion on this forum* would be a good thing to have on here to help get credits etc....

i've only been here a few days and i have to disagree 100%. you have over 400 posts and even if it only gave you 1 day credit per post, you should have well over 1 years hosting. i average about 3 credits per post right now.

i don't like to write but when i do, i can talk anyones ear off. i try to be specific to a posted topic when i reply and i will rarely post 1 or two lines because if i did that, i probably didn't have anything important to respond about in the first place. i try to make my posts as informative as possible. rather than increasing the credits for posting, i would rather see more quality posts from people. if people can't make quality posts and having a hard time living with the rules here, make the choice not to be here. this topic in my opinion belongs in the venting forum as i know there was a similar discussion about this the other day.

i've only been here a short time and seen alot of whining about problems they don't like about trap17. i just got hosted, i just made my dns changes and can access my control panel now. instead of being gratefull for what this place has to offer, some people have to complain. if you have to complain, this place isn't right for you and you should find another place that suits you. trap17 from my understanding does the best they can and they know if they could please everyone, they WOULD but they know like i know that it's impossible and you can't please evryone, but you can usually please the majority which is what they are doing.

instead of trap 17 changing, maybe some of the users should change. trap17 for the most part has been successfull so why change what is working? they welcome opinions which is good but they should NEVER welcome laziness.

everytime i hear postings like this, i hope they forgive me but i have a HUGE need to respond because they deserve credit where it's deserved. and people should have no problem with posting to get free hosting that would normally run at the CHEAPEST for what they offer, $15 a month. that adds up to $180 a year!!!

there are 365 days in a year so lets break it down to one post a day for one credit a day. what's 1 credit? it's about 2 1/2 lines. so if you are posting something of quality, you would be taking 5 minutes of your time to write 10-15 lines for 4-6 credits. if you do that, then all you really need to do is post once a week! BIG DEAL! if anything they should lower the credit system. not raise it. THAT would ensure and force people to make more quality posts.

that's my opinion and i'm sticking to it

[Albus Dumbledore]

but a main problem is the more credits you get the less credits you will recieve from each post..and the more posts you make the less you will recieve from each post...and no i do not have well over a year or anywhere near a year..but you also just joined here and have hardly any credits and so you can get allot of credits per post but once you get higher you will get less and less and less credits per post..

Edited by Albus Dumbledore, 09 March 2006 - 03:00 AM.

[Plenoptic]

I have been on since november and have made well over 500 credits. Holding the Trap Awards and changing domains cost me a bit and I have lost some for times I am not on but right now I am holding it at about 130 credits and I can't really come on anymore. All I do is look for new topics and post my opinion or look in here for new people with questions and try to help them. I post when I can and I hold up fine.

[mayank]

Thanks Anwiii...Thanks a ton!
I dont know...why do members always complain about the credit system..when they actually know that they cant get a fair system like this anywhere else. I dont remember myself now...that in how many different sections I've answered the same question in the last 7-8 months!
If anyone still wants to know...what did I say...then read Anwiii's post...it was almost similar and near to it (well, I've already read Anwiii's post thrice and I am really impressed with the post, great going Anwiii)

[dark_drgn]

As for the issue where youAs for the issue where you get less credits per post, it is obviously a good strategy. If someone like “Albus Dumbledore” does receive the 400 credits then he would indeed have over a year of hosting. Just by staying on the forums for a couple of months, he has received a year of good free hosting which is extremely hard to come by with all the fake sites out there. Although I agree that it is hard to meet the posting requirements, we have to think about the people who are hosting these things for us, they obviously don’t want to have hundreds of people ditching the forums because they have enough credits to last for the year or something like that. They get money to host our sites from the ads they have on the pages. Ad’s mostly run on “impressions” and “clicks” impressions meaning just by loading the page, but if the same person looks at the ad 100 times in a week, obviously it won’t count that much towards the amount they earn from it, but if you see it 100 times over a span of half a year or so, it would count more then 100 times in a week. Therefore the posting requirement is necessary to maintain their hosting service.

[shigajet]

True, there are some people out there who only want to pot in the minimal effort and ditch the community. I think the system is fair, and if you have lots of things you want to share with other members - imagine how many possible hosting credits those could lead to. I guess the only problem I would have is the amount of web space. 150 megs is sufficient for a lot of people...until it comes to a point where you need more space for other projects you may strart up (i.e. photo galleries, podcasting, etc.).

[terminal2k]

i must say i have just had my first "suspension" due to low credits just recently and I must say while it was annoying, it was my own fault that i didn't post. While increasing the amount of hosting credits per post is a nice idea, i don't expect it to happen. One thing that I would like to see is a way that people who make "quality" posts could get some bonus credits from the mods or admins or something similar.

[boyCradle]

I also agree with you guys that they should increase the credits based on our posts. It is hard to accumulate a lot of credits especially if you have already checked and read most of the topics available at the forum.

And about having more than 400 post and that we should be having credits for a year by now.... The first few months at the forum the inactivity of a members was not yet based on the credits. We were told to be active by visiting and posting at the forum at once per week. Even though we had so much posts made here before, the credit script only started when I had reached the 250 or 300 post. And I have to start accumulating the credits as if i was a new member.

[mayank]

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And about having more than 400 post and that we should be having credits for a year by now.... The first few months at the forum the inactivity of a members was not yet based on the credits. We were told to be active by visiting and posting at the forum at once per week. Even though we had so much posts made here before, the credit script only started when I had reached the 250 or 300 post. And I have to start accumulating the credits as if i was a new member.

Boycradle, I know that you are almost an year old than me..(Not exactly though) over here! But if you check your posts and my posts and there are lot many other members who joined a bit late and have more posts than you and infact more than me and have much more hosting credits.
I'll suggest you to go ahead and start posting a lot and then make enough credits to keep your site active for 4-5 months if not for an year!
What was asked from you in the starting was diff...In those scenario's people must have complained in case they didnt get access to the internet connection because of any reason in that 1 week...now you dont have to worry about it...just invest 1 day....if you dont want to invest lot of days here...then invest 1 day and beleive me you'll make enough credits to keep your site active for 1 month atleast with the same credit system

[icemarle]

Hmm... Everytime I come here... I think, "Time to post again...". But I remember the times when I was new, I absolutely loved to post in this place! Now it's turning to be a chore. I've been very busy lately, so I sometimes forget to post and when I come back here, I rush and try to post to keep it up til about 20 credits. It's hard to do that, but I've managed to keep it that way for a long time. But you know? I don't complain about it. Sure, it turns out to be a chore for me, but no one can come up with a better hosting service than Trap17... to mention it's free too... that's such a good bargain! Why do I have to whine for a small sacrifice like this, when I can get good hosting service for free!

[brandice]

There are a lot of people who have come here after me that have a lot more posts than I do. Still I see a lot of them saying that they have been suspended. I've been here since September 04, and I've made less than 400 posts in that time. I've never gone low enough with the credits to be suspended.

So I don't have a problem with the way the system is now. You just have to make sure you spend your time wisely and go to the sections that might interest you where you'll have something to say. It's really not that hard.

[serenity]

LOL.. i agree sometimes the subjects are kinda boring and i end up posting something that i dont really have my heart in and it doesn't always sound good lol but there are days that im just like i love posting and giving people my opinion and advice lol i like posting in the love section, the vent and the general section lol

[dark_drgn]

I feel bad for you. Who devised this system anyways? It appears a little complex with its rating and counting. And how it lowers per post when you reach high numbers. It must have taken a long time to write the scripting for this.

[Sprnknwn]

I always thought that the credit count is too low, but I accept it gladly because if you don´t like the system, go find another server. Anyway it would be wonderful if you raised.

Sometimes I also feel like if I were saying nothing really interesting just to make a proper paragraph and not just a one liner, when only one line could synthesize what I wanted to say. Not just for the credits, to be polite too, because it´s said that one-liners are not very welcome. And if a lot of people do the same, it´s no good for the forum, more words, but the same content...

[inyourarms]

I agree that if you don't like trap17 you should really go find somewhere else to get hosted. But I've only just started getting hosting and I've been busy with school/social stuff so I haven't had time to post here and I'm now in negative numbers. I try to write a lot but sometimes I just can't think of enough to say.. I'm one of those people who just gets straight to the point lol. Anyway. It would be nice if it was raised, even by a little bit.

[Avalon]

Here is a simple question to all those that feel it hard to earn credits to keep your hosting going? If you were paying for the same type of service, someone else suggested $15 a month so we'll use that for this example, how much time would you need to spend to earn that $15?

Be assured, NOTHING is truly free. Everything requires some type of investment from you. For free hosting here, that investment is time. If you think you can earn $15 a month in less time that it takes you to earn the necessary credits to keep your account going here, then perhaps you should consider using a paid host. Computinghost.com has some very affordable plans if you prefer a paid host.

If you'd rather use the free hosting offered here, please accept the credit system as it is. Afterall, you did agree to do so when you signed up for your account, so please don't complain about it now. If the credit system does not suit you, then perhaps you should look at Trap17.net for free hosting with site banners or a paid host as I mentioned above.

[wariorpk]

I think that the credit system is fine. I have been here for over one year and I have always been able to keep my hosting up with just a single post a day in most cases. I also like the fact the credit system rewards people for making posts that are more meaningful so it cuts down on the short, useless posts you get on other forums.

[michaelper22]

anwiii, on Mar 8 2006, 07:32 PM, said:

i've only been here a few days and i have to disagree 100%. you have over 400 posts and even if it only gave you 1 day credit per post, you should have well over 1 years hosting. i average about 3 credits per post right now.

i don't like to write but when i do, i can talk anyones ear off. i try to be specific to a posted topic when i reply and i will rarely post 1 or two lines because if i did that, i probably didn't have anything important to respond about in the first place. i try to make my posts as informative as possible. rather than increasing the credits for posting, i would rather see more quality posts from people. if people can't make quality posts and having a hard time living with the rules here, make the choice not to be here. this topic in my opinion belongs in the venting forum as i know there was a similar discussion about this the other day.

i've only been here a short time and seen alot of whining about problems they don't like about trap17. i just got hosted, i just made my dns changes and can access my control panel now. instead of being gratefull for what this place has to offer, some people have to complain. if you have to complain, this place isn't right for you and you should find another place that suits you. trap17 from my understanding does the best they can and they know if they could please everyone, they WOULD but they know like i know that it's impossible and you can't please evryone, but you can usually please the majority which is what they are doing.

instead of trap 17 changing, maybe some of the users should change. trap17 for the most part has been successfull so why change what is working? they welcome opinions which is good but they should NEVER welcome laziness.

everytime i hear postings like this, i hope they forgive me but i have a HUGE need to respond because they deserve credit where it's deserved. and people should have no problem with posting to get free hosting that would normally run at the CHEAPEST for what they offer, $15 a month. that adds up to $180 a year!!!

there are 365 days in a year so lets break it down to one post a day for one credit a day. what's 1 credit? it's about 2 1/2 lines. so if you are posting something of quality, you would be taking 5 minutes of your time to write 10-15 lines for 4-6 credits. if you do that, then all you really need to do is post once a week! BIG DEAL! if anything they should lower the credit system. not raise it. THAT would ensure and force people to make more quality posts.

that's my opinion and i'm sticking to it

I agree that members should perk up a bit (I probably shouldn't say this because I've been warned already for putting down members). I hear all these people complain that it's hard to get credits, and really have some sympathy for them because they must be either so out of this world with very limited minds, or have other things going on in their lives (school, work, etc.). I have little difficulty making posts and earning credits; I have not been suspended even once.
I think Opaque's credit system is very fair. Even after I got my hosting, I did not experience any more difficulty earning credits than before getting hosted. The only thing I would like from it would be to provide a credit counter on every page of the site.
I've found that by making a post about 4 lines long, I can earn enough credits. If you ever need something to talk about, just click the "View New Posts" link on the top of every page.

dark_drgn, on Mar 9 2006, 03:22 PM, said:

I feel bad for you. Who devised this system anyways? It appears a little complex with its rating and counting. And how it lowers per post when you reach high numbers. It must have taken a long time to write the scripting for this.

The person who wrote the credit system module was OpaQue, the admin of this forum, and the owner of Xisto Corporation. Sure it's complex, using a top-secret rating algorithm to determine the amount of credits per post. I'm not totaly sure of OpaQue's technical knowledge, but I could imagine it took a while (few weeks or months) to write the code for it.

[Unregistered 015]

My credits started to drop with every post I make!! I just changed my signature (add a link to my site to it).

After replying to someones post I lost about 4 credits! I am not sure about this one. I'm afraid to post. I'm sure I have not violated the TOS, and what did that happen.

I hope credits will rise after this one...

EDIT: It back to normal now

Edited by ciroxyz, 10 March 2006 - 07:24 PM.

[William91]

This is NOT the fariest credit system. A site called clubhost city just requires you to make a certain number of posts monthly. you have to make 31 credits here to last for a month but in clubhost only about 10 posts.

[dark_drgn]

That sounds really scary, perhaps the script just got reversed instead.

ciroxyz, on Mar 10 2006, 07:22 PM, said:

My credits started to drop with every post I make!! I just changed my signature (add a link to my site to it).

After replying to someones post I lost about 4 credits! I am not sure about this one. I'm afraid to post. I'm sure I have not violated the TOS, and what did that happen.

I hope credits will rise after this one...

EDIT: It back to normal now

William91, on Mar 10 2006, 10:23 PM, said:

This is NOT the fariest credit system. A site called clubhost city just requires you to make a certain number of posts monthly. you have to make 31 credits here to last for a month but in clubhost only about 10 posts.

I have to disagree with you on that one William, it all depends on how many options you recieve. If this place is so bad, why are you using this hosting service, if clubhost city is so much better, why are you bothering with this on?

[Avalon]

I looked at Clubhost City, here are some of the restrictions contained in their TOS. I don't believe Trap17 has any restrictions like these.

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• The following file types are forbidden on FREE hosting accounts: .EXE, .SIT, .CAB, .RAR, .WMA, .MP3, .WAV, .RM, .RAM, .RA, .MOV, .QT, .AVI, MP3, AU, BMP, .TGA and any other file format that Clubhost City Hosting deems usage restricted on FREE hosted accounts.
  
• Flash based games are forbidden on all FREE web hosting accounts.
  
• We reserve the right to refuse, cancel, or suspend service at our sole discretion. All web hosting applicants will be subject to a 15 year personal background investigation, criminal history review, and pschological profile. Additionally, to give everyone a fair chance at receiving a FREE hosted account, we have reserved a specific number of accounts reserved for each geographic region, once those account slots have been filled, we may close applications to specific geographic regions. Currently China, Korea, and Russia are closed areas. Age restrictions also apply.
  
• Minimum age for web hosting is 16 and the minimum for forum membership is 14 years old.

While they offer more space and bandwidth and similar cPanel features with their free accounts, I wonder how long they can maintain these services, the forums appear to have been active for less than 12 months. There appears to be no advertising in the forums and they say there is no advertising on the free hosting sites. How do they generate revenue to keep the free hosting going? It does not seem to me like a sustainable venture, at least with Trap17 at does appear to be sustainable giving me confidence that they will be offering free hosting for quite some time to come.

In the end, if you think you would be happier at Clubhost, then go there. It's as simple as that.

[dark_drgn]

Thank you for looking up that information Avalon. Trap 17 it appears does not have any restriction on file type. I truly do not see where you can base your unsatisfaction William, if you can disprove this i will happily take back my comments. Other than that i actually don't see a website with better hosting than Trap 17.