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[JasperIk]

I know im so optimistic aren't I? But its like everyone says "oh they will find a cure soon" and all this bs, but they probably wont. I mean the HIV, is very smart and tricky. Its always changing, and no strand [as in strands in inviduals] is the same as another, unless probably it comes from the same person, but because everyones body reacts to it differently, its never the same really. I just dont think they will find a cure...i mean they have ideas on how to maintain it, but its changed so much since the first case in america in what 1981?

[MaverickFang]

It's more or less a problem with nation. If everybody didnt get bent out of shape every single time something happened, more progress could be made quickly. For example, 1 of the bills for stem cell research was looked down upon because it would be considered abortion. For a nation that wants something so badly, it puts up to many restrictions.

Here's a tip America, Beggers aren't Choosers!

[Plenoptic]

I don't really know. I like to think they will find a cure for AIDS or something to atleast neutralize it to keep it from doing anything. I mean we keep advancing in technology they might find something and you never can tell what is going to come out next. My friend's dad has found something to stop the growth of cancer so I'm sure something can be done about AIDS it might just take a lot longer than one might think.

[JasperIk]

I would, like them to find a cure for AIDS. But i am also against stem cell research, and animal testing. Which makes me kind of bad, because i am so into science, and i want to support science, but another part of me, is like saying that is so wrong . I just don't think any one beings (animals, humans, fetuses), are more important then the other, i mean you kill like how many lab rats a day to end up with nothing, for several months, to several years. I do hate one thing also, is the fact that instead of scientists working together, they are working by themselves trying to find the cure faster, when really they should all work together. Im atleast glad, that when being told you have HIV, it is no longer a death sentence.

[Panzer]

Wow quite interesting actually. I was just reading a book on conspirisies (dont know hot to spell it!) and one of the points brought up on there was Aids. It was first found in the USA with gay men ... I wont go into the details but you all probably know anyway!

Some of the points were that the US government were trying to get rid of all gays and blacks. Another point was that the USSR were trying to get rid of all Jews and Blacks. (Hence spreading to Africa).

Apparently they offered a vaccine and APPARENTLY it wasnt vaccince, just more of the AIDS virus.

The band Foo Fighters are behind an organisation that believes there is no such thing as AIDS and its just 3 different treatable illnesses that the government wont treat for...

[JasperIk]

Panzer, on Jul 25 2006, 08:05 PM, said:

Wow quite interesting actually. I was just reading a book on conspirisies (dont know hot to spell it!) and one of the points brought up on there was Aids. It was first found in the USA with gay men ... I wont go into the details but you all probably know anyway!

Some of the points were that the US government were trying to get rid of all gays and blacks. Another point was that the USSR were trying to get rid of all Jews and Blacks. (Hence spreading to Africa).

Apparently they offered a vaccine and APPARENTLY it wasnt vaccince, just more of the AIDS virus.

The band Foo Fighters are behind an organisation that believes there is no such thing as AIDS and its just 3 different treatable illnesses that the government wont treat for...

The virus isn't the same in Africa, as it is here [america] or even anywhere else. Its actually a different type, of the same virus. I believe, that the one here, is more deadly then the one in africa, but we have more resources then they do, and its a lot of kids who have it there, so it appears more deadly, and more people die from it there, then they do here. There are many conspiracies on HIV. There are also a lot of govermental cover ups, but obviously they wont admit or bring up these things. The book and the band plays on, brings up a lot of things from both Africa, the gay community, and politics that all have to do with AIDS. The movie, just mainly showed the scientific views of the book. By the way though yes africans are "black", the african americans , are really no longer apart of africa, they are american and many are mixed with either/or both cacausion blood, and/or american indian blood. So america probably didnt have much to do with the AIDS epidemic in africa. Honestly, until people :: cough the goverment cough :: start opening up about some information, the truth may never be found.

[Tetraca]

Conspiranoia I'll bet is the book you're talking about...

But seriously, unless scientists open up their minds to new ways of looking at things, and cross moral boundaries nobody will find a cure.

[Cerebral Stasis]

Panzer, on Jul 25 2006, 02:05 PM, said:

conspirisies (dont know hot to spell it!)

Yeah...

Anyway, Jasper, the reason that all scientists don't group together to research cures is because not all of the ideas work and not all the scientists are needed. Having a hundred scientists working on a project that could be done by five will not make cell cultures grow any faster or results be any more accurate. It's all a time issue, not a personnel one.

As for lab testing on lab rats, not all vaccine ideas work, thus the need for so many test animals. The tests must be performed on some living creature similar to humans, though, or else no vaccines would be created and millions more humans would die than would have to. During World War II, the Nazis got quick results from experiments by avoiding the animal testing and other experimental/developmental stages and operating directly on humans (in that case, Jews). Many died, but they got fast results and no animals were killed. Would you prefer that? Someone or something has to be tested to see if vaccines work, and animals are the best choice. They're quick to breed/grow, they are not self-conscious (sentient), and they are lower on the food chain. Are you a vegetarian as well? If so, I'd just like to point out that animals eat other animals as well, and we are animals, albet more intelligent ones (in some cases, anyway). Besides, the testing animals aren't treated like dirt. They are given as good a life as they could hope for. They are given good food and are kept clean and healthy. They return the favor by allowing themselves to be tested upon (which, in the case that something goes wrong, they would be put down and out of their misery), since they don't really offer any other purpose (they're not pets, after all). It's a better life than most wild animals could dream of.

As for stem cell research, I don't see what the problem is as long as the testing is done on pre-aborted fetuses (meaning babies that were aborted anyway - you might as well use what's left for the good of humanity while you can).

[truefusion]

I believe, just like any disease and virus, that the cure is found in good health. Many vitamins and minerals help prevent many kinds of diseases, and even cure them. No drugs should be required to "fight off" any virus, or syndrome. If you improve your immune system, and maintain good health, your body should be capable of handling the attacks caused by the HIV virus, and/or any other kinds of infection. After a certain period of time, the body should be able to overpower the virus, and, in turn, quite possibly fully eliminate the virus.

Usually, if you're not tested positive for HIV, you will not be diagnosed with AIDS. Usually, to be diagnosed with AIDS, you have to be HIV positive, and have certain other symptoms--like, a decline in CD4 immune cells, a drop in T4 cells, tuberculosis, diarrhea, fevers, certain cancers, etc. These other symptoms can be easily taken care of. There are many HIV+ patients out there that take no drugs, and are eating healthy and maintaining their health, and are living normal lives.

[DarkPsycho]

truefusion, on Jul 25 2006, 11:13 PM, said:

I believe, just like any disease and virus, that the cure is found in good health. Many vitamins and minerals help prevent many kinds of diseases, and even cure them. No drugs should be required to "fight off" any virus, or syndrome. If you improve your immune system, and maintain good health, your body should be capable of handling the attacks caused by the HIV virus, and/or any other kinds of infection. After a certain period of time, the body should be able to overpower the virus, and, in turn, quite possibly fully eliminate the virus.

Usually, if you're not tested positive for HIV, you will not be diagnosed with AIDS. Usually, to be diagnosed with AIDS, you have to be HIV positive, and have certain other symptoms--like, a decline in CD4 immune cells, a drop in T4 cells, tuberculosis, diarrhea, fevers, certain cancers, etc. These other symptoms can be easily taken care of. There are many HIV+ patients out there that take no drugs, and are eating healthy and maintaining their health, and are living normal lives.

err.... no one has ever been cured of the HIV virus, and I kinda doubt that good health can prevent it. You point about how good health can prevent many diseases is a good one but not for this case. HIV evolves so that it can defeat most cures. So that while one may work now, it won't in the near future.