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[Okara KAmi]

It should also be noted that we have not found any life of our caliber anywhere else in the Universe. We've probed distances light-years away for any sign of intelligence, but nothing. So I can't see the point of view that our lives should be cut short due to our effect on the environment. But you're right in the sense that our expansionist mentality, soon, will become too large for the Earth to be able to handle. When this time comes, the resources available for us on the planet will not be enough to provide for our race. This, to me, is an imminent obstacle in our future, albeit beyond our life spans. Why? Because our rate of consumption increases with the population and the rising wealth of nations. Given that, we don't have any proportionately powerful ways of increasing our "output" of natural resources.

At some point, we will run out of oil, be depleted of fertile fields, and have a desert where forests should have been. Much before we push that threshold, naturally, we would have invested a large amount of our resources into finding alternative sources of energy in the universe. While this sounds a little bit like Star Trek, I really don't see how we can avoid it. Costs rise, resources aren't infinite, so at some point, Costs > resources.

Of course it can also be argued that a genocidal policy towards self preservation, perhaps by eliminating other races to cut down on consumption, is a very real answer. But then we move full circle back to our nuclear holocaust idea, where we eat eachother alive.

Like the above poster said, we're too awesome to put other forms of life at higher priority than ourselves. =D

[fermin25]

Well I am agree with you about destroying humanity all the polution problems are over the life in the earth will be more clean, more green more nature. But I don´t think you want to die. Nobody wants to die. Die is the end of the life here in the earth and if you are suggesting destroying the human race maybe there are another options. You are rigth with your point about we are the only race that want things and to get these things we have to destroy in a way or another some ecosystems to get resources and like the actual tendence of growing human population we will not get some enough resources to all of us and maybe will be our ending. But the nature is very intellingent. In the past when the resources has been low the weakest dies and the stronger lives is a thing named natural selection described by Darwin. In my country over all in my town there is a say; "Not all good is correct, not all the bad is incorrect" When the planet experiment the war and a lot of people dies is only ocurring things bad to some human beings but good to the preservation of the nature and humanity when a lot of people dies all the resources that those dead people had consumed is saved and the people who lives in the long term is favored.

The humanity and all the things we do are so complex. For example a lot of the economy of my country depends on the logging you know cut trees to sell the wood. If you think about nature you will see all the destruction this practice is doing to the environment here in Honduras but if you stop this... Almost 900,000 families will lose their way of sustent and the economy will fall incredibly. It´s complicated like I say so we have to think sometimes in the two ways and the two sides.

I can recomend you a software named Gra.nola that saved you energy from your computer so you can use it and save a little but a very important amount of CO2 when you get your stats mixed with all the software´s users around the world. You can find it in Google.

So It´s a lot of complicated my friend but you know we have to be more humans sometimes....

[prashansas]

I feel if every human being tries and takes care of the nature that the Lord has gifted to us to take care and fulfill our responsibility towards it, we can make the world a better place to live in. If we do not do anything and start relying on others to do something then nothing is ever going to happen. So instead of being negative and saying we are a plague or cruel or unfit to take care. We need to start working towards taking care of the world.

[udayvedanthuman]

Humanity must be destroyed. Then where I will go...what about my people, my brothers and their families, my relatives, my friends, my colleagues and my fellow human beings. I will lose all of them.

I understand that people have become selfish, they don't bother about anyone. You have no one to support you or help you when you badly need some help.

Even if you don't get any support or help, you have to survive. Life doesn't stop for you...it is moving. So a stage comes where you have to develop some abilities which will help you in the long process of living.

Any how we can make out that the world is going to stop at some point.

I also feel at a stage, that why is the earth still revolving...I don't see any reason for it.

At every moment we have to experience something worst or when we look back in our past, our wrong experience hunts us badly. It really makes me feel sorry for myself.

That's how life is and we have to keep moving on with all our abilities and disabilities.

[Ananya]

Wiping out the whole human community rests in the hands of the creator who has thought of bringing in an intellectual species of animal called human beings.Or if you don't believe in something called the creator then its the process of evolution that generated human beings or whatever it has to be left to that process itself whether human beings as species has to be destroyed or not.
But yes we can't deny this fact that we are a danger for the existence of many species around us to survive.The bulk amount of resources being consumed by human beings
if compared collectively to all other species of animals is enormously high.Its not just the consumption but also the exploitation of resources to achieve progress.Our exploitation has
lead to extinction of many species of animals already and some are waiting to get extinguished fully.If not full extinction of human species happen then also a mass destruction of a huge proportion of this particular species will size up little bit and will act as a balancing factor to rejuvenate our mother nature.

[Ananya]

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nature itself would be the host to the humans, where humans are painted as vile beings that rape and pillage the countryside with factories, housing developments, pollution, and other evils of so-called progress.- by morosophos

Haven't view the thing as such before. Haven't wondered the nature as host and human beings as parasite. This outlook is new to me and satisfies the argument to a large extent.

[prashansas]

When we make something with love and passion because we have a purpose while we are making that particular thing, after a while it's of no use to us when the purpose is over. But we don't tend to destroy it as we have put in our efforts to prepare it. Instead we would preserve it for a long time. Likewise it's with the whole universe that we are living in. We have to wait until the appointed time comes for the earth, human beings and every other thing to be judged. We cannot say, why is this tree still alive as I don't find any reason for it to be here. We are created by God and only he has the right to make and break everything that he has made. He is the Maker of this earth and heaven above and everything on this earth including us. He has made us with much love and passion. Though we have fallen short of his glory as we have rebelled against him. But he is still a compassionate God and a loving Father. The same way as our earthly parents when we rebel against them they would tend to forgive us N- number of times as their children before punishing us. We cannot question God's creation though we might not understand many things going around us or happening in this world because only he has the answer to it.

[Bikerman]

Do you really think that earthly parents would, under ANY circumstances, condemn their children to eternal and unbearable suffering as a 'punishment'? Do you really have the nerve to call that 'compassion' ?
I don't believe in God. This is not some wilful rejection on my part, it is a very considered and thought-out opinion arrived at through much contemplation and study. Yet according to Christian dogma I am destined for an eternity of unbearable pain and suffering. And Christians then have the barefaced cheek to tell me that God is merciful and compassionate? What a lot of nonsense.
The notion that we cannot 'question God's creation' is a prescription for ignorance and, of course, religion is the father of ignorance and the mother of stupidity. Thankfully we have moved beyond that sort of nonsense and we DO question creation - and by questioning it we have discovered the principles by which it operates - principles that allow you to type your thoughts and have them displayed for the world to see. If we took religion seriously then you would be shouting your message to those few people within earshot, then returning home to your hovel, with a life expectancy of about 25yrs, and the certain knowledge that your life would be full of pain and misery, helpless victim of disease and probably dying because your teeth became so infected you could no longer eat.