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#1 Matt2

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:49 AM

Hey,

Windows Vista was pubically realised worldwide yesterday my time. Will you be upgrading to Vista? Have you upraded to Vista?

I haven't upgraded to it and probably won't. The only time we would get it is if we bought a PC and Windows XP and this PC are doing fine at the moment. The price tag eventually should go down to a price that people would actually be prepared to pay at the moment the most expensive package is around $1000. Most companies will be waiting around a year for everything to settle down before they will plan to upgrade to it.

It looks quite cool but I haven't seen many screenshots of it. I'm just wondering if Apple will have to update their boot camp software for Windows Vista. I think they will be, but it will be a while I think as they are still in beta with the Windows XP version of Boot Camp.

It doesn't look anything amazing to me, it just looks like they have improved on Windows XP.

Heres 100 reasons you'll be speachless with Windows Vista, I'm looking through it now. Click here.

Edited by Matt2, 31 January 2007 - 03:50 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2007 - 03:17 PM

I won´t upgrade unless it is necessary for work purposes or something like that. I´m sure that my machine is not fast enough for Windows Vista Requirements. Anyway I´m tired of Microsoft operating systems and I´m not going to do the beta testing for them (because I´m sure there will be lots of bugs like in XP and they will have to launch a service pack soon).

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:37 PM

I won't upgrade neither, because it seems to be too much work, and I'm just laaaaaa-zeee ;) ;) There also seems to be lots of bugs too? So it'd be pointless tbh

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:53 PM

;) a windows vista upgrade decision flowchart can be found at BBSPOT to help you decide what to do now that vista is finally out in the market. (for mature audience only ;))
http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/02/windows...-flowchart.html

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 05:56 PM

easy answer for me...NO!!! NEVER ;)

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 10:06 PM

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easy answer for me...NO!!! NEVER ;)
Haha, I'm with him. I mean, yeah, I know that the graphics are supposed to be a lot nicer and all, but currently there's no software market that uses it. - I'd like to use my P2P apps WITHOUT emulation if just for argument's sake.
That and I'm a linux-ish guy.

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Posted 31 January 2007 - 10:15 PM

Also I have heard on some Computer Support Forums that some people want to uninstall the beta version because they can't play games and use programs that they would like to.

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 12:42 AM

I will take my sweet time waiting to upgrade. Main reasons:
1. Need more RAM (I need more for XP anyway)
2. No need for it (I like flash and fluff, but it's not strictly necessary)
3. Lack of support (my dad probably hasn't seen it yet).

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 10:44 AM

Well, the answer is a "NO" for me too.
I am planning to switch to Linux when I will get my new PC which will be I guess 2 months from now so no need to take the tension of upgrading to Vista and I hate Windows XP itself, I know the graphics and all are a lot nicer but graphics don't really fascinate me to be honest. And on top of that I am not going to buy it and I might end up in trouble with the pirated copy if I ever connect to the internet.
Still I might have a dual-boot with Ubuntu and Vista, Vista for my gaming purposes and Linux for everything else. ;)

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 02:56 PM

heh
I might upgrade to Vista someday thought it won't be for the near future.
have you seen those prizes man???? outrageous for an operation system!!
I'd rather download it illegal then pay such a prize for an OS that uses the maximum of your computer system.
my pc is fully capable of running vista, but i rather stay at windows xp.

anyway linux sounds a very good idea, if you compare the amount of crashes with windows and linux
only bad thing about linux is the development of games on the platform, which are kinda a big point in my view ^^

mm I'm surely gonna wait for it untill the prizes drop or untill i can get it for free ^^

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lol i just found out that i can get a serial for free ^^ thank you msdnaa
heh but i hate waiting while my hdd is formatting

Edited by sniperkiller, 01 February 2007 - 02:58 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2007 - 07:25 PM

I have no plans to update mine, since xp is working great for me... plus, usually things that microsoft lets out into the market is pretty bugged at first, and that's why they release so many patches and security updates and all... I think I'll let them sort throough all that stuff a little longer before I get my version of vista.

Mind you, so long as I have this computer, I don't really see the point. Maybe I will buy it, but that's unlikely, since I'm happy with what I have and I've never upgraded any of my other computers before. By the time I needed a new one, the new operating system came on the computer I was buying, so I'm guessing that will be the same with vista in a few years when I might be needing a new machine.

The pictures do look impressive though...

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 07:40 PM

NEWSFLASH: VISTA EXPLOIT FOUND! Vista has speech recognition hole

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Microsoft has admitted that speech recognition features in Vista could be hijacked so that a PC tells itself to delete files or folders.
but of course, microsoft downplays vista's apparent security threat as outlined in the article. ;)

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There are also additional barriers that would make an attack difficult. -- Microsoft security researcher

anybody has vista, can you test deleting files via speech recognition voice commands in mp3 (perhaps just record some commands on your own)? then tell us of your experience. ;)

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 08:28 PM

Less than 2 days following how long of a Beta testing process? That's funny... XD.

But as the article explains, there are several events which need to occur all at the same time, under the right conditions, etc. before the files would be deleted. So don't turn on the speakers when you have the microphone connected. *wait* mine are all built-in ... how do I turn them off???

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Posted 01 February 2007 - 08:37 PM

View Postjlhaslip, on Feb 2 2007, 04:28 AM, said:

Less than 2 days following how long of a Beta testing process? That's funny... XD.

But as the article explains, there are several events which need to occur all at the same time, under the right conditions, etc. before the files would be deleted. So don't turn on the speakers when you have the microphone connected. *wait* mine are all built-in ... how do I turn them off???

set volume level to MUTE. ;) or use headphones instead (the variety without microphones included, as it may pick up the voice commands because of the proximity of the microphone to the sound source). ;)

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Posted 02 February 2007 - 06:42 AM

I think Vista is n00b. Flip3D = Resource hog that I never use, Ultimate Extras (with Vista Ultimate only) = ;), Aero Style = MAC OS X AQUA PWNS!, User Account Control = Worse than Microsoft. So, Windows Vista is waaaaay overated, but I do like its speech recognition. I have already upgraded and Vista is better than XP but never better than a Mac or Penguin!

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 09:16 PM

I've installed Vista, so far no surprise, yet. Hope to find one soon, if no, ScReW *BLEEP*InG BiLl GaTeS!

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Posted 03 February 2007 - 11:26 PM

lol that voice exploit surely is a funny one
it helps the user to write a kind of terrorist letter
and the biggest joke is that they published it on the news
microsoft surely is good in inventing fake stories about what happened like:
- broken mic
- too much noice
- mic volume
- etc

i wonder what they will say next ;)

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 09:19 AM

http://www.eweek.com...,2076062,00.asp

Another exploit. What do you expect? Now that Microsoft's got a much larger audience to beta test Vista, there are bound to be more exploits. Posted Image

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 12:36 PM

vista looks great, but it demands alot of processing power, my comp has neither the processo or ram or even hardrive space to support vista @.@ so i won't be using vista til i get a new comp or upgrade my current one. besides, the price tag is still really high, i'll wait for it to drop so that its more affordable~~ if you don't need it, why buy it? ^^

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 04:16 PM

I probably wont upgrade for some time. Till i feel the need to. But i heard that they have some security issues or something like that. But i dont know.

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Posted 04 February 2007 - 10:16 PM

personal opinion:
everyone who downgrades is retarded or otherwise mentally impaired in some fashion that prevents them from seeing the glaring stupidity in what they are doing. Thank you.

truth:

There is absolutely NO benefit of downgrading to vista (which, FYI, means chicken in latvian). Do you all remember what it was like a little while - say, half a year - after XP was originally released? I do. People weren't so happy about things. Even that was not a good thing. And I'm just saying that from my VERY, VERY BRIEF experience with vista that this will be worse. 1000$, you say? You wish. In your sweet dreams. It's cheap in the US compared to Norway. But then everything is.

I would like one of the people who are considering downgrading to vista (or who have already done so) to take a quick read through the 100 best things that was posted in the first post(I'm not going to waste my time doing it), and write down every one of the items on the list that:
1) are actually new.
2) are actually an improvement.

Good luck.

From my POV, there are two things about Vista:
1) It hasn't changed much
2) It has changed TOO much

Those may seem to contradict one another slightly, but they don't. They apply to change in different ways:

On the outside, to the common average user Joe, vista is nothing revolutionary. There is no change, beyond the nastily shiny (and may I say terribly ugly) UI. Aero isn't actually even usable by all systems. For the 30minutes I used Vista for, I found out that my computer wasn't even powerful enought to run the 'great new graphics'. AND IT DISABLED THEM FOR ME. How retarded is that? I should be able to control what goes on in my own computer, with an O/S that I have given BLOOD to buy (well, I didn't, but that's another matter). It's rather sad that they won't run on my laptop, which runs every combination of the FOSS equivalent (beryl, compiz, etc) perfectly. But that they don't trust that a user can make a descision on their own is absurd. I should be able to take the consequences of my own actions, and if I'm stupid enough to do something with my system that I shouldn't have, then I deserve to take the full consequence of my actions. I consider myself a responsible person. Clearly, Microsift doesn't. So there is nothing new about that. And did you know that Aero wasn't actually made by M$ themselves? Smooth sailing.

On the other hand, MS seems to be trying to take over your computer COMPLETELY, now. DRM; HardDrive Lock; WGA - all methods that take your control and dump it right in MS's hands. It is a complete change in direction for the people who actually know what they are doing with a computer. With XP, they prided themselves that you could take a HDD out of one computer, dump it in a box of a completely different configuration and after 15 minutes and one reboot you could have a fully operational machine. It also worked with 98 (I know from experience). And that is a remarkable feat, I must admit. Not many Linux distrobutions can claim as much (also from experience). With vista and it's WGA, you can't change a component of the machine without it locking. Your processor dies on you (most likely BECAUSE of vista) and you have to get both a new processor and a new license. The latter likely twice the price.

DRM. Digital Rights Management. You can't watch something vista doesn't think you own. If it thinks you don't, vista will pwn you and your system. How *BLEEP*ed up is that? I can understand that they don't want people DLing unauthorised media and the likes, but a computer shoudl do what YOU, the USER wants it to do. Vista isn't an improvement for the user. It's an improvement for the producers of content. An interestingly relevant quote:

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ESTRAGON: We've lost our rights?
VLADIMIR: (distinctly) We got rid of them.
As indeed we are. Excuse me. As indeed YOU are. Stick with what you have.

I have recently been told that shell is switching to vista sometime soon. Just had all the software ported from UNIX, which worked fine for all our needs, to Red Hat linux, which worked slightly faster - though admittedly not much, and it was probaly not worth the change for most employees. Every little bit of speed is needed for big operations - they get left on overnight as it is. And now they say port all that *BLEEP* software to Windows Chicken. Not gunna ask what the people who USE it think. The only possible reason I can think of is that the higher ups want to impress people with having their sections running vista. Impress? the only thing that's impressive is the PRICE. But I guess that however little it makes sense, some people will always think that the expensive things are somehow better than the free stuff. I'm SO glad Vista isn't the best thing available, and I'm SO glad I still have the choice in my own home to choose the O/S I want to use all inside my stupid little retard user brain, with no uncle bill to tell me. But how long will it last?

Vista comes with a very interesting new feature HardDrive Lock. I didn't explore this feature AT ALL, and for obvious reasons, beyond confirming that it does indeed exist. It sat there in the top right corner of the Control Panel (which of course hasn't changed more than any other part of Vista) looking at me with this evil stare... 'Click Me, I want to pwn your HDD and destroy non-M$ files....' I left it well alone, as mentioned. Unforteuneately, not everyone did. And as often as not, it gave no information as to what it was going to do. Now, I understand that what I said about being responsible for my actions, but there is a difference between crashing the GUI and LOCKING THE HARD DRIVE. I assume from the anguished posts by the less forteunate that they could no longer edit the partitions. I believe that they have taken this feature further since, but I can't prove it ;)

So... What changes are there in Vista that are new AND good?



I am asking the world: What good lies in Windows Vista?

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 12:42 AM

NEVER!
It's Microsoft's pathetic attempt to copy OS 10. ;)

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 08:33 PM

We just talked about this today in computer class.

There really isn't anything that Windows Vista has that Mac doesn't. It seems to me that Microsoft has been looking over the shoulder of Macintosh and taking every one of their ideas.

Ah well I'll still use Windows, but I'll stick to XP.

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Posted 05 February 2007 - 09:10 PM

some gamers are being forced to get the vista cause they said in order to play the new halo game for pc you need to have vista installed. I am going to get vista cause it is going to come on my dell xps computer which i am getting cause i am going to college also with xp i can do a lot of stuff so i am going to get vista.

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Posted 07 February 2007 - 04:01 PM

I hate to be pedantic, but have you noticed that your keyboard has a range of PUNCTUATION MARKS?

So, you are getting vista because it comes with the XPS. Last I checked, the XPS had about the same specs as my laptop which came for about half the price. But that's a different matter. Is there any reason you would go over if it didn't? Don't those disgusting shiny graphics attract you? Or the availability of thousands of completely new, next-generation packages of malicious code that will be able to infect your system? Sounds great to me...




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