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[Iceblade]

It's funny to say but, it can happen if technology will get smarter and smarter then computers might talk back to us and get angry almost like shown on Irobot when the robots take over..should this be stopped? Or are we just going to make stuff too advance

[MIGUE2k7]

Nah... Computers cant take over us cause them dont have any kind of artificial intelligence. Computers are just tools that helps the human to do certain tasks, but them are no robots.

But maybe, someday in the future the human will make a robot with Artificial Intelligence that could develop the idea of conquer the world or something ... yea just if the human makes that big mistake.
(or already there is something made by the human with AI? i doubt it)

By now i dont wanna be afraid of my own computer

[darran]

Migue2k7 has a point. Computers won't be able to take over us, they are just tools to aid us in our work unless we program them with Artificial Intelligence (AI). A lot of video games nowadays are being built around this AI, fighting games, football games, all of these have AI programmed in it. But the similarity these things have are that AI is programmed in a particular aspect, for e.g sports games. the AI is programmed to counter your moves. For a robot to function, it has to be able to know how to react in certain situations and that would be very difficult. But never would they let a computer control us or have any thoughts of being more domineering than humans, we are smarter than computers.

[rvalkass]

It is unlikely we will get to the stage where we can socialise computers into society any time soon. The way a robot works and the way a human works are different, and I don't think we will see convincing human-like robots for many years to come. However, World leaders are moving closer and closer to adding computer controlled robots and such to their militaries, so I suppose they could be taking over the world with computers And even if robots did become incredibly powerful we have two failsafes: if Microsoft design their OS then they'll last 5 minutes, and we can always pull the plug.

[O_H]

Computers are only as good as the AI they have. It's safe to say it's not happening anytime soon.

[Iceblade]

Well the only bad part about everything in life now is that it has to be used with some computer technology

[roseysaidwhat]

I don't think so because there are always people who object to things.
Same with computers, many people object to using computers and such because it doesn't go with what they "believe" in.
Plus, what if everything turns into I, Robot?
Scary thought.

[Spyda]

I feel that if technology continues on the path that is going in then Yes this will occur. Everybody knows this from scientists to writers like Ray Bradbury, who stress the importance of using technology to the fullest, but knowing there is a limit to how far we can go with it. Right now though, I feel we are at a good state in the technology buissiness and we do not have to fear of this occuring in our day and age, but as technolog progresses we are becoming more vunerable to such take overs that we need to be extremely cautious to this occuring cause it could happen in the near future when we are least expecting it!

[dundun2007]

Although computers are a big part of our society their intelligence is limited to what we want to supply them with. Every computer has an off switch too, in any case something like that could be shutdown. I always wondered what would happen if our whole network of computers shutoff for just one day what a big impact it would have on the world. If you think about it computers are everywhere; stores, your home, your car, & pretty much anywhere you go involves computers somehow. Yeah it all seems strange that none of this was even around back in the day, and look how far we have come.

[zak92]

Computers are evolving at an alarming speed and many people will in fact be sitting home because the factories they work in has hired computers instead of them. Also many people love the computer and are like addicts like me. I cannot live without a computer not even for a day. Computers cannot take over completely but will so in many fields.

[master_bacarra]

zak92, on Feb 3 2007, 04:37 PM, said:

<br />Computers are evolving at an alarming speed and many people will in fact be sitting home because the factories they work in has hired computers instead of them. Computers cannot take over completely but will so in many fields.<br />

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well i agree with this one and some of the replies on this thread. computers can't take over completely. primary reason is that computers are created by man themselves. they create computers and program them in a way to perform functions faster and probably more efficient that humans. indeed they can take over in certain aspects such as working in factories. computers don't have the complete intelligence and ability to completely decide for themselves. i think the readers are misled by the phrase "take over" in the thread title. they are led to believe that computers can "take over" or rebel against humans and rule the world for themselves. they can "take over" in the sense that they can replace humans in certain functions that need a faster processing. humans can't work as fast as computers, which is enough for computers to replace them in their jobs, but it doesn't suffice that they can take over humans intellectually.

[street]

i doubt that computers will take over the world they are what we need to function but they will never become a problem where they will take over the world.

[Zues]

For a AI to try to conquer the Earth it would need AI coding for philosophizing, but then an AI specific in that would have no capabilities other then that. An AI can't just expand it's code to give it AI code for anything else, since that would be creativity and computers can't have that. I'm more afraid of some virueses or trojans taking over possible future cleaning, working, babysitting robots and possibly killing someone through that. Now that's scary.

[sniperkiller]

I think it will be possible in the far future, not the close future since we are not so far yet in developping such programs or machines

the creation of robots / computers have two sides:
- hardware
- software

nowadays people are trying to make the shape of robots more humanoid, but the functionality of its form plays a huge toll
creating it more like a human, makes it also more fragile in some parts, and also it needs a lot more machinery
imagine if they try to remake the human hand, it would take a lot of tiny parts and nothing said about the amount of power those robo hands would have; robo crime in making ^^

before an AI would even try to conquer the earth, it would need some sort of programmation in its code that allows itself to create new code and improve it. a group of programmers would be required in order to create such code
the movie I-Robot shows only a small part about what could happen to the world, terminator shows again the bad part of robo creation and coding but in this case the worst part

what the future will give us also depends on us, the future programmers or evil-masterminds ^^
probably if computers or robots would take over, can be the result of a research project done by the the world leaders

[sylenzednuke]

I don't think it is quite possible for computers to take over this world and the people above me have already stated very good reasons.
AI can be directed to improve itself by seeing things but I don't think it is possible for AI to have "creativity" in it though. Even the robots in military or something, take an example of a robot who is designed to save humans, they don't have the creativity to decide, it's we who feed into them how to make out which has higher chances of living and then save that person. And the way the AI will be calculating those chances are based on some parameters that we will set, AI won't ever be able to discover the will power of a person to live and I don't think even we can code that into AI so I don't think AI will ever be so creative to think on it's own without any parameters set by us.
And the disaster in I,robot was because V.I.K.I. was designed without the 3 laws integrated into it. If we don't ever have someone to commit that same mistake, we can very well "save this Earth".
Though I even somewhat agree to Zues on this-

Zues, on Feb 3 2007, 08:51 PM, said:

For a AI to try to conquer the Earth it would need AI coding for philosophizing, but then an AI specific in that would have no capabilities other then that. An AI can't just expand it's code to give it AI code for anything else, since that would be creativity and computers can't have that. I'm more afraid of some viruses or trojans taking over possible future cleaning, working, babysitting robots and possibly killing someone through that. Now that's scary.

That I think is something we could be worrying about.

Edited by sylenzednuke, 04 February 2007 - 04:51 PM.

[PEUGEOT]

I guess it depends how you define take over.
In a job situation it is not only possible but it have been shown in history.
Many jobs have been replaced. Computers do some thing better and can work in environments that we can’t.
It would be silly to send a person into outer space to bounce signals back to the earth manually or operate machinery laboriously in a factory.

Money which is power can be managed entirely by computers and a smart program.

As computer advance they may someday be able to out think humans.
Tasks aren’t the only thing they might be able to do, perhaps someday they could handle things like law or governmental tasks or as a talking friend a computer may even fill a need for companionship.

However the question may be - Can people take over the world from the machines?
As we rely on computers we could forget what it is like to make decisions and manage things any other way.
That would mean we will have to be educated, interesting and have something a robot will never have – the human spirit.
In other words we would have to learn to be human again.

[FolkRockFan]

I don't imagine computers overthrowing mankind and enslaving us anytime soon. I do, however, see them being used instead of human beings for all sorts of jobs. I don't mind that at all. Computers can be efficient and cheap. Oh and they can't whine if you don't give them Saturday evening off so that they can go to the movies

Mankind's job in response to this slow "takeover" is to learn how to do stuff that computers can't do. Job security, in other words.

[noriv]

Nah, I dobt that that time would come. Atleast they have to be ALOT smarter to do that.

[SamiFX]

This will not happen on the futur cause computers if programmed with Artificial Intelegence will be programmed only to things that amuse or help human and not to control us

[Forbez]

This could never happen. Who ever builds computers with A.I will have some sort of shut down sequence, or not put in all emotions.

[dwayne12]

It's hard to say or not if this will happen, we can't exactly say that it can't happen and that they're just computers. We as humans already have the knowledge to destroy earth if we really wanted to now think about it. The humans are creating these AI programs and robots but the AI programs will be created to think like we think most likely. Most likely when AI is smarter 50 years or so from now? It won't be flawless and there will be errors in the code and all robots will most likely run on the same code or perhaps hybrids which would be the same code anyways. This could potentially cause a mass load of AI error computers to start doing stuff perhaps not on purpose but because we made them that way.

Computers already control everything with the aid of us helping them.

What happens when we let computers automatically complete tasks without us directing them too? Don't say that won't happen because it will happen if it causes our demise then we'll just have to see.

[sniperkiller]

like dwayne12 said, AI programs will be created to think like we think most likely

AI is meant to think on it's own and to do its own actions, but today that AI isn't advanced enough to learn on its own
it still needs some kind of teacher like us, we show it multiple times what to do, and perhaps some programs gain the ability to store that technique in their memory banks (I don't know if that is currently available yet)
but check the inventions in Japan / China, they are making robots that interact if the user does something in front of them

also i heard they are going to make robots more humanoid (shape and size) and that will be one step in the computers victory for a possible take over
i think i'm gonna buy myself some kind of anti electronic device just in case ^^

[Mermaid711]

zak92, on Feb 3 2007, 03:37 AM, said:

Computers are evolving at an alarming speed and many people will in fact be sitting home because the factories they work in has hired computers instead of them. Also many people love the computer and are like addicts like me. I cannot live without a computer not even for a day. Computers cannot take over completely but will so in many fields.

Hmmm has the starter of this topic been watching HAL? Like somone said, computers are only as smart as we will make them, so therefore, computers can never be smarter than us. Besides, they just have those robots in thoses factories because they don't have to pay a person for labor.

[dwayne12]

Mermaid711, on May 3 2007, 11:10 AM, said:

Hmmm has the starter of this topic been watching HAL? Like somone said, computers are only as smart as we will make them, so therefore, computers can never be smarter than us. Besides, they just have those robots in thoses factories because they don't have to pay a person for labor.

True but seeming as we are always trying to make stuff bigger and better and I know in the future we'll be making things smarter and more independant they'll call it innovation but the day we create computers to think for themselves it won't be enough for us and we'll want to make them more humanly even if computers don't destroy the earth they have the potential too.

I guess this subject is only something that can be answered by time. Really gives you something to think of though.

Put it this way if computers do all go haywire one day we won't be prepared for it and we most likely wouldn't have a plan in place for it either because we would all think it couldn't be possible.

Also how can we honestly say without any doubt whatsoever that computers can't become smarter than humans? We don't know if it's possible or not, but yet again anything is possible.

[heavensounds]

Yeah, I agree with MIGUE2k7 - computers cannot take over our planet, because they are only tools in the hands of humans! The best thing they can do is something we have taught them to do - nothing more. We should understand the basic difference between computers and us; the difference is in our consciousness or one could say in our soul. We are unique, we think, we do everything with certain motives and so on...If you look at computers, it is impossible for a computer to have a motive when displaying you information - the motive behind every computer is the one from humans! We had the motive to create something as PC's are today and we had the motive to use it and abuse it, we had the motive to make money with it and so on and so on...

So there is nothing to be afraid of, because even artificial intelligence is something made from the human motive to ease up his work. Computer can make simple decisions with artifificial intelligence but cannot think or have a motive when doing something...

Best whishes