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[BooZker]

Last night I was thinking, I think a lot , when I saw on Limewire it had a document option. What if there was a site or program that really narrowed in on that. It would not be stealing, but more, a favor for a favor.

What exactly am I talking about you ask? Well, think about this. It's sunday night after you have been out all weekend on a mini-vacation. You forgot that the 2,000 word essay is not finished on Martin Luther King Jr.! You go to Homework Share and check the 1,500-2,000 word check-box and type in Martin Luther King Jr. essays in the search box. The search results are displayed by closet match along with the highest grade received for Martin Luther King Jr. essays that are 1,500-2,000 words in length. You click on the search result that says A+ that closely matches. You are sent to that users page and click download. You print it out turn it in and voila!

How is this NOT stealing? You are only able to download so many essays based on your forum points (like here on trap), grades, and number of essays submitted (F grades count as 0, D's count as 1 pt, C's 2pt, ect.) A favor for a favor. You are still doing homework, but maybe not the one your teacher gave you, but in return for doing another essay you get your Martin Luther King Essay. Do you get it guys? So, here is my idea if it were a site:

Sign Up Process:
Required Fields: Email, Password
Optional: Name, state, school, bio, ect

*The reason why I would want the name fields to be optional and no city or state is for a reason. The reason is so that Teachers could not go on the site and find that you took, or posted a homework page. I want it to be as minimal as possible, but enough for a community.

User Page:
In the user page would be sections like: Homework Turned In, Homework Shared, Grades, Pictures, Media, and things like that. The media might be videos, flash videos, or maybe even websites for your graphic design course. It would show your GPA (This is based on an honor system. Your GPA is based on each piece of homework you submit and then you put the letter grade you got on it.) Then number of download you got and the GPA on each individual download based on the other users grades they say they got.


Downloads:
How the download work is as simple as 1, 2. Find download. Click download. It can be that simple, but as security measures for students whos teacher doesn't understand what the site is... There is the a "Where Has It Been" option. It would look like:

Martin Luther King Jr. - 2000 Words
| Download | Where has it been? | Downloads: # | GPA: A+ |

To explain what that option is here is an example after you click download:

|What state/providence ________
|What school are you turning this in at ________
|What Teacher _________
|What period _________
|Download Now

No fields are required ever, but highly recommended so that you don't turn in duplicate essays.

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I would REALLY like to make this site and i am a graphic designer and if anyone would be interested in making this/help making this please contact me or reply. I'll even give you some credits based on how much you help, or be a permanent staff member and reap the benefits when the site goes public. You have to know it would catch on and be popular.

It's a community based site. All legal. Could be worth a bit of $$$. This could also be turned into a P2P type program/application. This site would NOT ONLY have essays, but art, music, and whatever type of homework is possible. Your in a graphic design course submit art, your in a music class submit music, in a video production class submit video, you get the idea and it would be a popular site. It would have to be. It's all free!!!

I was also thinking you could only sign up with a referral link as Google does on there things. This would keep teachers from browsing on the site.

So would anyone like to help in my idea for a website?

P.S. This is the right forum to post this right? It's an Idea/Possibilities, but also a website/internet thing.

Edited by BooZker, 13 February 2007 - 10:53 PM.

[husker]

That's certainly an interesting idea, but I have to object being the good person that I am. If you did this, students would learn nothing besides how to download a file. When the need to get a job, they won't understand a lot of things and be confused. I think you have to do the homework yourself. First off, you would need a fairly large database of essays and papers etc(now I'm taking your side). I would recommend giving credits to people who contribute too. Some essays might have certain specific requirements too. For example, an essay on Martin Luther King Jr. requires 1000+ words, three metaphors, and ten quotes. You would almost need a bunch of sub-catergories in order to fulfill all of the needs. It would take a lot of work, but with a lot of help, you could do it. Teachers might get mad however and search the essay on Google and discovered that the kid cheated, so you would have to hide that up. Your site might eventually be taken down by teachers because they disapprove of it(I don't think they have to power to take it down but who knows). Anyways, best of luck to your site, although I would rather do my homework myself and I won't help you.

[TypoMage]

I wish I was doing a project on Martin Luther King. ( I sure could use an A+ )
Very interesting idea.

[GHarrison]

husker, on Feb 13 2007, 04:20 PM, said:

That's certainly an interesting idea, but I have to object being the good person that I am. If you did this, students would learn nothing besides how to download a file. When the need to get a job, they won't understand a lot of things and be confused. I think you have to do the homework yourself. First off, you would need a fairly large database of essays and papers etc(now I'm taking your side). I would recommend giving credits to people who contribute too. Some essays might have certain specific requirements too. For example, an essay on Martin Luther King Jr. requires 1000+ words, three metaphors, and ten quotes. You would almost need a bunch of sub-catergories in order to fulfill all of the needs. It would take a lot of work, but with a lot of help, you could do it. Teachers might get mad however and search the essay on Google and discovered that the kid cheated, so you would have to hide that up. Your site might eventually be taken down by teachers because they disapprove of it(I don't think they have to power to take it down but who knows). Anyways, best of luck to your site, although I would rather do my homework myself and I won't help you.

the thing is, the ones that want to learn could see the answers and figure out how it works for themselves. Obviously, a majority of the student body prefers the easier way out. Because of that, I don't think this is such a good idea.

[BooZker]

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Obviously, a majority of the student body prefers the easier way out. Because of that, I don't think this is such a good idea.

See here is the idea though. There is not really an easy way out. You have to either post topics and help others with homework questions (forum posts only count in the homework help sections), have to submit essays, pics, video, or some form of homework and have it grades by their teachers and/or have it graded on the site by Admins/mods.

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If you did this, students would learn nothing besides how to download a file. When the need to get a job, they won't understand a lot of things and be confused.

Dont get me wrong. I have done ALL except ONE assignment by myself. My current GPA is 3.5 in college and I am 16. Also though read above. It't not like you would be able to just login and start downloading mass amounts of homework. You have to buy it almost. Except legal tender we use devotion and time. Plus in the real likfe when you need something done you buy it right? Example: "Man my roof is leaking." You normally dont go "Well im going to go to the library and learn about it. Then im going to go practice, then im going to go and try it." You call 1-800-roof-guy*

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I would recommend giving credits to people who contribute too.

Read my first post better haha. I mentioned this along with forums and other forms of getting homework credit.

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Some essays might have certain specific requirements too. For example, an essay on Martin Luther King Jr. requires 1000+ words, three metaphors, and ten quotes. You would almost need a bunch of sub-catergories in order to fulfill all of the needs. It would take a lot of work, but with a lot of help, you could do it.

thought of this too haha. You put the criteria in liek you said above. It will find combos in it and you can then copy and paste the materials in it. Or if your lucky find an exact match. So you would get a result for quotes, essays, and essays with quotes and s fourth. Plus if we had even 100 people and they each submit 2 pieces a homeowork a week, think about how much that is!

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Teachers might get mad however and search the essay on Google and discovered that the kid cheated, so you would have to hide that up. Your site might eventually be taken down by teachers because they disapprove of it(I don't think they have to power to take it down but who knows). Anyways, best of luck to your site, although I would rather do my homework myself and I won't help you.

Thought of this also. Essays are not searchable on google OR even on the sites search until you sign up. To sign up you need someone to give you a registration code like google does. Teachers would not be able to take it down. I actually have already found someone to help within 12 hrs.

If anyone would like to help contact me in anyway you like. I need help with
Logo design
website design
PHP
CSS/HTML/XHTML
javascript
and testing and membersand most of all homework. If you help I will give you 10 free friend passes to the site to share with friends even!




*not a real number

[salamangkero]

BooZker, on Feb 14 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

You have to buy it almost. Except legal tender we use devotion and time. Plus in the real likfe when you need something done you buy it right? Example: "Man my roof is leaking." You normally don't go "Well I'm going to go to the library and learn about it. Then I'm going to go practice, then I'm going to go and try it." You call 1-800-roof-guy*

That is a very hasty generalization. For one, I need to breathe but I don't have to buy air. I need friends but I don't buy my companions.

More importantly, though, before you even so much as post or signup to such a site, you have already bought something: education. You pay your school/institution to teach you something and homeworks are one of the ways to make you learn something. By supporting such sites, you defy the education you were supposed to get. In essence, it's like boring holes in the roof while your roofing guy patches up.

BooZker, on Feb 14 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

Plus if we had even 100 people and they each submit 2 pieces a homework a week, think about how much that is!

Too much to handle, I'd bet. For one, how do you know they're submitting actual information and not just speculative data or hearsay?

Well, I digress already. My point is that doing other people's homeworks and having them do yours is hardly beneficial. It's almost like kids on third grade will think, "If I do kindergarten students' homework, someone will do mine." While, at first, the time/effort trade might seem logical, it isn't. As it is, the poor guy will get stuck on third grade because he did not learn what he was supposed to learn and, instead, foolishly thought that a hundred kindergarten-level homeworks are equal to two or three third-grade homeworks.

BooZker, on Feb 14 2007, 01:38 PM, said:

If anyone would like to help contact me in anyway you like. I need help with
Logo design
website design
PHP
CSS/HTML/XHTML
javascript
and testing and membersand most of all homework. If you help I will give you 10 free friend passes to the site to share with friends even!
*not a real number

Like a lot of other replies in this thread, I also am not going to help. It is a very lucrative idea and it will sell, that I am sure of. However, it does run against my beliefs. I, for one, do not want to envision a future run by dumb, pathetic, stupid, idiotic morons who know nothing about solving problems on their own. No offense meant, it's not personal, rest assured v

[BooZker]

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More importantly, though, before you even so much as post or signup to such a site, you have already bought something: education. You pay your school/institution to teach you something and homeworks are one of the ways to make you learn something. By supporting such sites, you defy the education you were supposed to get.

I am trying not to repeat myself although I feel as though I have to. To get homework you must submit homework. Homework is then reviewed. If the homework passes (If the admins give it at least a D in there opinion) It is then put in the server. For every, about, 3 pieces of homework you submit you get one back. Does this make anymore sense?

[salamangkero]

BooZker, on Feb 16 2007, 01:57 AM, said:

I am trying not to repeat myself although I feel as though I have to. To get homework you must submit homework. Homework is then reviewed. If the homework passes (If the admins give it at least a D in there opinion) It is then put in the server. For every, about, 3 pieces of homework you submit you get one back. Does this make anymore sense?

No more than it already did.

The danger lies in over-specialization. Let's say you have uploaded thirty A-quality papers/essays on Chemistry while you download 10 homeworks about algebra. What this means is that while you may continue developing your skills, as far as Chemistry is concerned, you are also missing out on a very important part of your education: algebra.

The question is not how much you're getting or how much you're giving. The big issue, methinks, is that in the process of easily getting "something" (homework) you're missing out on "some larger things" (education). Like hell you'd learn something about colloids by simply downloading homework about them, never mind how many papers about binary and hexadecimal number systems you upload.

Lastly, there is still a big difference between a grade of D in 3rd grade science and a grade of D in 3rd year high school chemistry. Just a comment

I hope that cleared things up

[BooZker]

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The danger lies in over-specialization. Let's say you have uploaded thirty A-quality papers/essays on Chemistry while you download 10 homeworks about algebra. What this means is that while you may continue developing your skills, as far as Chemistry is concerned, you are also missing out on a very important part of your education: algebra.

Awh hah. that makes sense now! That makes sense. Maybe like 3-5 assigments in one subject a month or something.

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Lastly, there is still a big difference between a grade of D in 3rd grade science and a grade of D in 3rd year high school chemistry.

Haha we should put in a what grade are you in to each piece of homework. Great point!

[laforgej]

These sites would are use at your own risk in terms of damage to your education. Teachers give finial exams for exacly this reason, it is a lot harder to cheat on a finial as compared to daily homework. If you don't write the essay yourself it will usually show up on the test.
I almost wish that teachers would put a larger part of your mark based on unit and finial tests. Making it more important what you learn and remember, rather than trying hard on daily work.
I guess part of the reason I say this is because I feel that I could learn all the information in some semester classes in a month then write the test and be done with it.
Personally I have handed in a couple essay that was not my own, but I find it really hard to find essay that have the same topic as mine. Teachers tend not to be real general with essay topics, they want to get a certain thing. I am guessing it would take quite some time to get a large enough database of essays to be good at answering the needs of people.

morally I would suggest not allowing things like term papers or finial projects, just smaller assignments that will get people through the boring essays that come up so often. You can cheat through out the daily work in a course but you still have to prove what you know in the end.