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[biscuitrat]

Sometimes; it's mostly societal pressure that turns anger into all-out violent hatred. Like many here have said, it's a tragic case of puppetry -- reckless and destructive.

[hitmanblood]

biscuitrat, on Apr 25 2007, 04:22 AM, said:

Sometimes; it's mostly societal pressure that turns anger into all-out violent hatred. Like many here have said, it's a tragic case of puppetry -- reckless and destructive.

I wouldn't agree on this one either as if you check suicide and bomb attacks in London those guys who did it were actually born in London at least those who they caught were born and raised. And as far as I understand London as city and metropole it is made of thousands nations and many religions so how can then society make pressure on one to commit such violent attack of hatrage against other person nation and religion.

Because if you are living in certain country you have to abide to the laws of that country and you cannot just bring your laws and you rules in this society it is nonsence and if this is why they commited such violent acts then their parents and they should return to the country of origin. I really don't get how could society influence young person to commit something like that.

It is just wrong.

And if you explained your idea a bit further it would be appreciated.

[mandla]

Has anytone watched 24 the season 8. Theres a couple of suicide bombers.

Now lets assume their cause is right. Lets assume its the only way they can get their message across. isnt it funny how the boss says Tarin go with this bomb and set it off at this place. But he's no where near that place himself. The boss always sends the suicide bombers with promise of your name will be come famous. I would ask him what about you sir dont you wanna be famous. THey always ask these people to sacrifice their families but the boses family is usually never involved in this.

Wha a sad loss. Also how come at the training school the boses never get hurt by the new guy. I mean surely they have a few people in the trainning school who need to show everyone how its dont using live ammo lol. What a bunch of suicide bombing fools. Has any of the prophets ever come back from the dead to say if there are even any virgins that they are promised. If there is sex happening in the after life what makes the suicide bombers so sure that other guys havent shagged those olive eyed girls prior to the explosion.

Its like on earth what guarantee do you have that any girl on the street is or is not a virgin. I doubt Allah has a queue of girls who serve him in heven or the after life just waiting for a suicide bomber so they can get laid

[nirvaman]

Wow , wow , people here have a lot of imagination , and i think i also do !
So , i'm not gonna defend terrorist , because they don't deserve to live , neither countries doing terrorism !

Then i'm just going to speak about people who have their countries , or lands devastated by an enemy , who came from outside the country and want to take it off from them , when people has no weapon to face the enemy , they choose themselves as a weapon , it's not like the mass destruction weapon , like others do have , but for them it'll cause a minor effect on the enemy , and maybe he *enemy* will think again about the decisions !

If you guys think taht Palestinian people are terrorist , because they are suicide bombers , then you will be wrong!
Palestinian for example , are facing a great country , and i'm not speaking about Israel , i'm speaking about USA , wich is helping Israel with Weapons and decisions , and covering her back !

When a palestinian sees his land taken off by Israeli army , when he sees his brother or sister raped by israeli army , what do expect him to do? fight ? with what? a ROCK !
Here come the suicide bombers , they are doing this to face the enemy , They fight the enemy with their lives , what a sacrifice !

[mandla]

Nirvaman - I like the point you raise. I dont mean to hate on USA but USA does ask for trouble by getting involved where they don't belong now Im not saying they shouldnt help Im saying they should not take sides. Because so many times I have noticed they speak against war while funding people like Mugabe and Saddam but once they cant get what they want from Mugabe and Saddams they make a noise and complain as loud as possible and they easily go to war.

But then where you see America are Cowards. They always quick to send you weapons to kill each other and they dont care if you all finsih each other. Then ofcourse some people see through this and suicide bomb in America and suddenly america is a victim. What I know is as long as suicide bombers had never bombed the towers, then I bet they wouldn't be some famous now. We hardly knew about suicide bombers until Americans were hurt in the process of a suicide bomb and suddenly it was bad. I am not saying I enjo9yed the twin tower bombings and Im sorry to anyone ho lost family in it but from a marketing point of view the suicide bombers did a perfect marketing strategy to get noticed and noticed they did.

But then coward americans straight away said no fightin in AMerica lets fight in their country so our country doesnt get damanged by war. They will park in the sea and shoot missles over a neighboring country and when retaliation happens some scud missles fail to reach the destination and destro the country they are flying over and in the news its portrayed as a war misfortune. But if someone killed americans in a simmilar way they would be branded evil and put on FBI most wanted.

Sometimes America wants to be branded he super hero the super power but they are petrified of taking a bullet and having scar to prov they are really heroes. I just hope that one day they will aim for peace in the world not a piece of the world. America needs to stop training terrorists and teaching them tricks which when tables turn and America is on the receiving end they start crying fowl.

Imagine is guantanomo bay was in IRAQ housing terrorists who were AMERICANS how much of a bigger deal would it have been.

[kleong]

Without touching on the topic of religion, I think terroists are not in the profession by choice. Rather, I see them as weak-minded people, whose thoughts and convictions is easily sway. Like how they could be pysho-ed by the terroists leader to go around bombing others.

[mandla]

i doubt its more to do with a weak mind i think its all to do with a need to feel important like we are worth something. Its just one of those things people do because they have a void in side. We all have the void inside us and we usually find stuff to fill it with. SOme do drugs to fil the void some do alcohol some try drugs /alcohol but for some reason still feel the emptiness inside. So they turn to religion and its crucial that when they have this void the religion they turn to embraces and accepts them just the way they are and makes them feel whole. You see cause at this point they suddenly feel whole and its as if they owe that religious sect/church/ group somethign.

and just like a relationship say a girl gives you the best sex ever and the most remantic love and attention she then says honey buy me a really expensive birthday present and when we say no she gets sad and we start to feel like we will loose her or we feel like we are about to loose the wholeness we have in her and the goodness we feel then we make stupid irrational decisions. Same with the suicide bombers, They feel they owe this religion that took them in and made them feel complete so what ever is asked of them they then feel like to prove they are commited they will do just that. Now I have nothing against the religions who practice suicide bombing because I know that even a christian would sacrifice their life for Jesus. Cause thats whats expected of them. If a soldier walked in with a gun and said denounce jesus's name or I shoot then most devout christias would sacrifice their lives than denounce Jesus. So they probably can be made into suicide bombers if a certain group started harming christians on a mass level. Its all about standing up for what you believe. Im not saying they are wrong or right but I think they are of sounbd strong mind just having a very different point of view of what it means to stand up for what you believe.

[Xalor]

It is of choice I believe however but the intense pressure put on these boys, assuming you are talking about Iraq and those third world countries the only place they are accepted, and given money and food is at the mosque. These recruiters give them a chance to live and experience life, they give them a chance to pay back those men who gave them food and life. There are so many centers, and they not only use religion, but sense of duty and family. They make them feel uninimportant unless they give up their life. We can't understand that difference in America or other countries, even Japan had suicide fighters, those kamikazi pilots were the same, they were willing to give up their life for the greater end. Here in the US, our military doesn't have that much of a brainwashing program other than making us respect soldiers, these suicide bombers are the same, they start off as poor children and become these matyrs and others look upon them as heroes who have fallen against the West/

[mandla]

i guess in a way they are fallen heroes. because though it was an unsanctioned official war they did die from friendly fire (their own).

I feel sorry that people can take advantage of each other and make lesser persons do such acts. I guess its the same in any army though. You get the bosses staying at home and the lower level army boys are sent to fight and die while the bosses control stuff by telephone. Do this do that. I know its a suicide mission but that gotta be done. Only difference is that they wear a uniform and are paid by the governement. but how different are they in principle outside of the extreme manner they achieve their goal.