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[fermin25]

I think that the meaning of time is that we are mortals and that is everything the time is the length between two facts and we can see it everyday. We can born today and the time is the only gift to live in the earth, another persons only say that the meaning of time is the meaning of life, and I think that they are not wrong with this aseveration.

The time have to finish. Why??? How sense do you see in be inmortals?? The life maybe would be bored and all the people maybe woulb be more worried seeking for a way to die. The time is necessary the size of all the universe, I don´t know if time is the fourth dimension like Einstein said but neither Einstein could understand the time and he only made theories that are only theories and that is all.

We have to be critical and maybe the time is the only thing in this physical world that can sure us that God exist and all this world maybe have its ends like everything we see everyday. Anything will survive to the merciless pass of the time.

We are all condemned to die because the time will never stop. maybe we can travel around the time someday but maybe this will never help us to live more time.

The time will not forgive anything or anyone.

[Harlot]

It seems very confusing, but from what I pick up on it, time differs depending on your location. On earth, we really don't know how fast time is moving compared to another planet or universe. If we visit the fictional Universe of Auta for what seems to be 5 minutes, we could come back to earth and 100 years have passed. If we spend 100 years on earth, we could go to Auta and only a few minutes have gone by...so you're an old man but from their perspective it has only been 5 minutes.

Einstein theory went along the lines of...if you get into a space craft and traffic at the speed of light for 5 minutes, and come back and travel at the speed of light back for 5 minutes, 200 years could have passed while only 10 minutes have passed for you. If true, time also relates to nothing only location but also speed. Its very confusing I must say.

[Bikerman]

hippiman, on 03 May 2007 - 12:25 AM, said:

I think if you think of time like on a graph, it almost makes perfect sense.

For example, when you're graphing on an X,Y plane, you put in an X value, and a Y value comes out of it.
In 3d, you put in one of the values, and get the values of two of the other variables.

To me, time would be the independent variable, and matter just moves because you're see a different point for an object based on T for time.

No, this is fundamentally wrong.
a) Time is relative. Time passes at different rates depending on how fast you move. This is not some illusion - it really does.
This means that there is no such thing as 'time'. There are 'times' and each one is potentially different.
c) For various other reasons (to do with Relativity) we cannot really talk sensibly about time without also talking about space. Since time varies with movement through space it is, in a real sense, PART of a bigger whole which we call spacetime.

So - everything above is factual and not a matter of debate. Now you need to work out the implications, and they are pretty astonishing for most people.

For example:
If I go in a very fast spaceship and travel for a year at about 70% of the speed of light then on my return it is NOT next July. It is next September. No trick - on my spaceship exactly one year has passed - I am one year older. On earth 1.4 years has passed and everyone is 1.4 years older.
If the trip was 20 years then when I returned 28 years would have passed.
if I get an upgrade to my engine so that I can go at 0.9 the speed of light then for every year I travel 2.3 years passes on earth. If I get to 95% of the speed of light then my year is 3.2 years and if I manage to get to 99.99% of the speed of light then each of my years is 70 years on earth.

That is one little factoid - we call it time dilation.
Any budding Einsteins will already be realising other things that follow from this - like the fact that distances also change as you move at different rates, or like the fact that simultaneous events are not simultaneous for other observers.
That last one is a poser to be sure. Think about it. When I see two events happening at the same time, other observers may see them happen at different times. Really, I promise! :-)

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My belief is that God was before time. Therefore according to me some elements are earthly made like time, space( i mean land space or anything that occupies volume). As for the big bang i really believe in it as Iam a muslim i believe that God created this world for the sole purpose as man. This is my reply and i really hope you learn something from it.

I'm glad you believe in some scientific ideas. Do you also accept evolution? Because if so then it seems that God created a whole lot of stuff for just one species. Why create the universe and wait 8-9 billion years before creating earth and then wait billions more before man evolves? Seems like a strange way of doing things, but maybe He has a reason eh? :-)
Actually the notion that God exists outside time is fine by me - I am an atheist but I have nothing against religious belief so long as it is not 'fundamentalist' and it doesn't result in harm to others.* What I cannot abide is those who let their faith blind them to reality - the creationists and fundamentalists of all types who cannot accept obviously true facts because it contradicts what they think their faith position should be. No time for that at all. I want to know how things are in reality, and if what I learn is scary or hurtful then so be it. Fairytales are for children :-)

*PS - that is not meant to apply to Muslims in particular by the way. Fundamentalist Christians scare me just as much as the Islamist terrorists do.

Edited by Bikerman, 01 August 2010 - 07:39 PM.

[inea]

It seems to help to get a clear vision to devide between the counting of time done by human beings and the fysical time that goes by as human beings experience it. Time as a measure to count is ruled by the circle around the sun that the earth makes. 1 turn is named 1 year. The moon appears 12 times full in this amount of 1 turn. So the year is divided in 12 parts with 1 part for every cyclus of the moon going from full to full again. Or from invisible to invisible again if somebody wants to count that way. The day is measured by the turn that the earth makes. So 1 day is 1 circle of the earth. This amount of time is divided in 12 parts for the daytime and 12 times for the night time. These divisions come from the division of the circle of the year in 12 parts, probably. The pointers of the clock show more or less the positon of the sun during the day. If you make a clock with 24 hours on the front the pointers would show you the position of the sun during the complete 24 hours of the day and the night.

Since the minutes are counted by 60 in 1 hour the division of time into hours and minutes and the counting of the time comes probably from the people of Babylon. They used a mathematic system using parts of 60 in stead of 100. This system is very strong. 1 Reason might be because it is easier for the human brain to work with 60 in stead of 100. Compared with eachother the amount of 100 seems a bit too much for the human brain to understand. The strenght of the mathematical system based on the amount of 60 is shown by the use of this system in the counting of time, that still exists in the year 2010.

Time as a fysical fact seems to be a part of existing in the physical world. Like an object has weight and dimensions and the way it appears. An object has physical aspects like colour, taste, hardness. Time is an aspect of existing in the physical world. When an object doesn't have this aspect it would not exist in the fysical world like the human being experiences it. The object would exist like a ghost and be timeless. An object needs to be attached to time to be able to exist. An object which time is finished disappears. That can be compared with wood that gets burned. The wood in its original form disappears. This means that the piece of wood lost track with the existing time.

Edited by inea, 15 September 2010 - 02:20 PM.

[Vivian101]

csp4.0, on 27 April 2007 - 11:17 AM, said:

Yes, I was wandering the other day, what did time mean? how did we know about time? what is the real definition of time?
Does anyone know? because my teacher was discussing time the other day and talked about how time began with the big bang and stuff you probably already know. But when a student asked the teacher 'what is time' even the teacher became confused. So gave us the honor of finding out what time really is

In my opinion,time means everything,and means nothing at the same time!It just like water,when it has gone,it never come back ! When you catch every opportunity and make full use of time,it means everything to you!However,if you ignore everything,you will lost many things！And at that time,it means nothing but waste of life !

[Bikerman]

inea, on 15 September 2010 - 02:10 PM, said:

Time as a fysical fact seems to be a part of existing in the physical world. Like an object has weight and dimensions and the way it appears. An object has physical aspects like colour, taste, hardness. Time is an aspect of existing in the physical world. When an object doesn't have this aspect it would not exist in the fysical world like the human being experiences it. The object would exist like a ghost and be timeless. An object needs to be attached to time to be able to exist. An object which time is finished disappears. That can be compared with wood that gets burned. The wood in its original form disappears. This means that the piece of wood lost track with the existing time.

No no no no no.
a) The dimensions of an object are relative to it's motion with regard to the observer. The dimensions change as the velocity changes.
b ) Exactly the same applies to time - it changes as the velocity of the observed object changes.
c) Space and time are not separate things - they are woven together into what we call spacetime. Everything moves through spacetime at the same speed - the speed of light. Some of that 'speed' can be in space, and some of it in time, but they always add up to c (the speed of light). Therefore if you travel very fast through space, you only travel slowly through time.

Edited by Bikerman, 19 September 2010 - 06:26 AM.

[anwiii]

Bikerman, on 01 August 2010 - 07:24 PM, said:

Do you also accept evolution? Because if so then it seems that God created a whole lot of stuff for just one species. Why create the universe and wait 8-9 billion years before creating earth and then wait billions more before man evolves? Seems like a strange way of doing things, but maybe He has a reason eh? :-)
Actually the notion that God exists outside time is fine by me - I am an atheist but I have nothing against religious belief so long as it is not 'fundamentalist' and it doesn't result in harm to others.* What I cannot abide is those who let their faith blind them to reality - the creationists and fundamentalists of all types who cannot accept obviously true facts because it contradicts what they think their faith position should be. No time for that at all. I want to know how things are in reality, and if what I learn is scary or hurtful then so be it. Fairytales are for children :-)

*PS - that is not meant to apply to Muslims in particular by the way. Fundamentalist Christians scare me just as much as the Islamist terrorists do.

i like your reasoning because sometimes i sit and wonder why god created YOU. you know. someone who is always bashing religions and then goes on to say you have nothing against religions. obviously you DO have something against religions. and who's reality are we talking about here? just yours? seems like you are blinded by your OWN beliefs and reality to come up with a statement like that when it was you who was talking about realities are relative when talking about spacetime.

so when i here you always contradict yourself, i keep wondering how much you really know. you portray that you know a lot, and i am sure you do, but evidently you don't know everything. and for some reason, this has you stumped. almost like you SHOULD know everything and you don't know why you don't. then the question arises. if you don't know everything, how can you illiminate the possibilities of a god. i'll tell you something else. you are in the minority when it comes to not believing the possibility. how can a couple milion people tell several billion people that they are wrong and are not living in reality? do all atheists have big heads like you? i am glad though that you do believe in something. i think everyone should believe in something. so thank GOD for einstein or you would be left not believing in anything at all.

now you bring up and down muslims again and try to relate terrorism to them? i don't know where you come from, but maybe you should get out more. trrorism isn't linked to religion. it's linked to people who choose to terrorize. come down to my neck of the woods in california and visit south central and see what these punk kids and adults do to terrorize and kill people. and terrorism isn't even related to color either. but not only do you want to down religions while also stating you have no problems with religions, you are trying to associate terrorism to religions or the muslim community. personally, if i had my choice to trust a muslim or trust you, hands down, i would trust a muslim. you have a black heart. something changed you. i hope it changes back before you pass on.....for your sake and others.

i am not a bible reader, but i would rather read the bible than listen to your trash which is influenced by your black heart.

[Bikerman]

Have you actually got a point or are you just going to dribble abuse?

anwiii, on 19 September 2010 - 11:42 AM, said:

i like your reasoning because sometimes i sit and wonder why god created YOU. you know. someone who is always bashing religions and then goes on to say you have nothing against religions. obviously you DO have something against religions. and who's reality are we talking about here? just yours? seems like you are blinded by your OWN beliefs and reality to come up with a statement like that when it was you who was talking about realities are relative when talking about spacetime.

I didn't say I have nothing against religion. You really do have a problem reading. Religious belief is what I said. Spacetime is a bit beyond your abilities so i wouldn't expect you to understand it.

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so when i here you always contradict yourself, i keep wondering how much you really know. you portray that you know a lot, and i am sure you do, but evidently you don't know everything. and for some reason, this has you stumped. almost like you SHOULD know everything and you don't know why you don't. then the question arises. if you don't know everything, how can you illiminate the possibilities of a god. i'll tell you something else. you are in the minority when it comes to not believing the possibility. how can a couple milion people tell several billion people that they are wrong and are not living in reality? do all atheists have big heads like you? i am glad though that you do believe in something. i think everyone should believe in something. so thank GOD for einstein or you would be left not believing in anything at all.

Nobody knows everything. The rest of this paragraph is a mixture of ad-populum fallacy and nonsense. A couple of million? Another figure plucked from the air?
1.25 billion Catholics believe that 1 billion Muslims are wrong. Does that make either of them right? Of course not. It is the 'my dad is bigger than your dad' type of argument that children indulge in.

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now you bring up and down muslims again and try to relate terrorism to them? i don't know where you come from, but maybe you should get out more. trrorism isn't linked to religion. it's linked to people who choose to terrorize.

Terrorism is certainly linked to a particular 'type' of Islamic fundamentalism. If you don't believe it then ask the terrorists.
You should also read up on the 'no true Scotsman' fallacy because you seem very fond of using it.

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come down to my neck of the woods in california and visit south central and see what these punk kids and adults do to terrorize and kill people. and terrorism isn't even related to color either. but not only do you want to down religions while also stating you have no problems with religions, you are trying to associate terrorism to religions or the muslim community. personally, if i had my choice to trust a muslim or trust you, hands down, i would trust a muslim. you have a black heart. something changed you. i hope it changes back before you pass on.....for your sake and others.

You are a very silly person. I wonder how many Muslims you know? I know plenty - where I live, in the NorthWest of England, we have a large Muslim population so I was brought up with Muslims and count amongst my good friends 1 devout and 1 less devout Muslim. Both, by the way, would agree that Osama Bin Laden is a Muslim terrorist, though they would both say that he is a bad Muslim (just as he would say that THEY are bad Muslims).

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i am not a bible reader, but i would rather read the bible than listen to your trash which is influenced by your black heart.

Well who is stopping you? In the time you took to type this drivel you could have read the first 4 chapters of Genesis.

On the other hand, if you feel like making a contribution, rather than spewing bile, you could tell us what you think is wrong with the notion of spacetime and give your alternative.

Edited by rvalkass, 20 September 2010 - 08:49 AM.

[anwiii]

if i was going to talk about spacetime, i certainly wouldn't tie religion in to it like you did. that's just one of the differences between you and me. the only reason i made religion an issue, is because you did again and how you were contradicting yourself once again in your belief and "spacetime". i also like it when i can get you to say a lot about nothing in public. to make people aware of who you are. it's the sick entertainment i get pleasure out of when i run in to people like you.

btw- you have double posted a total of over 10 times now. is there a reason for it you you just like to give the mods a hard time where they either have to delete a post or merge a post? i noticed you are different in the other forums you belong to. i wonder why. i wonder what makes this forum so different that you have to disrespect people and their beliefs. you remind me of born agains who rush to a a certain place to preach their dribble. so anyway, continue on. i would like to hear more about the life of bikerman and how we should all strive to be like you one day.