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[matak]

How about that Trap17 limits maximum number of posts that you can get credits for in one day? My suggestion would be limiting posts that count for credits at 3 a day .
I really don't know how to explain this idea, it's just something that came to my mind..

What do you guys think?

[master_bacarra]

are you serious? personally i don't like it. what's your reason? i have to hear your reason first.

[matak]

master_bacarra, on May 28 2007, 10:36 AM, said:

are you serious? personally i don't like it. what's your reason? i have to hear your reason first.

reason for limiting number of "sponsored" posts is to improve post quality even more. community is great, and that, but posts that deserve credits should be really awesome. Also limiting credit sponsored posts would maybe force users to write couple of longer posts a month, that have some greater value, like tutorials and stuff, which would then score some good credits for them

[Albus Dumbledore]

hmm i don't think it's a good idea

i just dont see the point.. because trap17 doesn't work off of how many people come each day, but the quality in their posts that the members make, so if they were limited to three credits, they would limit the quality posts to a minimum, and most posts that are quality are big, so they can get credits for what they work for.

i just don't think it's a good idea at all no offense

Edited by Albus Dumbledore, 28 May 2007 - 08:51 AM.

[master_bacarra]

um like what i've mentioned in the shoutbox, it's quite ironic that you want the poster to improve the quality of the post by limiting the credit he's going to get. most of us are here for credit (at least those who are hosted), it would be pointless if you cut down the reward they get for posting a lengthy post. by doing that, you're actually discouraging them to post more (whether lengthy or not).

writing tutorials would give one lots of credits, by limiting them down to 3, what happens to the rest that they're supposed to get? that would be unfair. that's the same for those who are inside a heated debate in the debates section where a lot of people really speak their minds out. imagine, you're debating with someone, but you're only entitled to put a post equivalent to 3 credits. you're already limiting their post length, which is the "ironic" part of your suggestion.

[matak]

I think that i'm misinterpreted, probably beacouse i didn't explain right.

I'm not suggesting that posts are limited to 3 credits, but that only 3 posts a day can get credits

EDIT: I'm rereading my posts, and still don't get how should i put it, so that it can be understood. So i repeat, it's not about limiting POST CREDITs to 3, but limiting NUMBER of POSTS that can get CREDITS in one day, at 3 POSTS.
Um.. Is that right now

Edited by matak, 28 May 2007 - 09:04 AM.

[Albus Dumbledore]

hmm, even if only three posts a day would get credits, that would mean someone who is a first-timer to trap17 would have to either wait quite a few days to get the full 30 credits, or posts a bunch of posts that are completely going off topic just to get the full amount of credits out of one of the three daily posts. if that makes any sense... lol

Edited by Albus Dumbledore, 28 May 2007 - 09:09 AM.

[matak]

It's rarely that first timer get's approved in one day. It takes couple of days, in which you can get credits in no time. I think that this way maybe trap could prune users that get here only for hosting and not contributing with quality but rather posting anything just in order to get enough credits to be hosted.

[master_bacarra]

well since you've clarified that one, i would probably agree slightly. the problem is that, the rest of the posts (meaning the succeeding posts after the 3rd post), won't be counted anymore, and you're telling the members that the 4th post onwards is like a "paying it forward to trap" posts, to maintain the forum's interactivity. by doing that, you're doing the opposite, which is limiting the interactivity in the forum. you're supposed to encourage them to talk a lot in the forum despite the length of the post. and besides, we already have mods and spam patrollers (like me *ehem*) to clean up the mess here, so no need to worry about the short posts and one-liners and the spammers.

trap is a mutual environment, we members post to maintain the interactivity here, thus the forum and its creators benefit from us, and in return, we get free hosting. i believe that there's no need to disrupt that flow.

cheers!

[matak]

hey! that's a really great explanation. of course there's no need to change something that's really flowing mainstream , but i can't help myself to post a suggestion, that maybe even before i post it i know it's not going to be accepted.
really great post there master, you swept me off my feet

[heavensounds]

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this idea, because it would mean that someone who is let's say 20 credit in - then he wouldn't be able to get on +4 let's say and that is the minimum for un-suspending your account. Plus I usually have a lot of time someday and I read through posts and just reply to them - it doesn't mean that I will spam if I make maybe 20 credits a day if you know what I mean. The moderators are also very capable here on Trap17 and they remove spam-stuff almost immidiately....

I guess the current situation is OK!

Best whishes

[Saint_Michael]

Oh yeah I would disagree 100% with you on that and the for this very simple reason, you limit the number of posts to 3 a day on credits earned and trap17 would lose every single member in the matter of days. If they do that everyone would have earn 10 credits a post and unless your making tutorials that is near right impossible to do and thus instead of that quality your looking for will be turned into spam. It's not as easy anymore to post here in the forums as it was year and half ago, of course I seen some of the best post since that time as well and so it is the matter of looking for the right topics to post about thats why I usually try and spread myself out. So if you were to limit a person post count to three a day that would be like limiting people to 3 sips of water a week or something like that.

Although quality posts is what we are striving for not all topics require a person to post a 10 page word document on a simple quest or problem.

[matak]

I posted this couse i'm sure that trap17 forum quality doesn't depend only beacouse of the hosting feature that same provides. Also there is several pros and cons for this idea. If you look at the number 3 posts a day, i guess it's most average number of posts on trap17 forums. Most members that are new rush on to gather as much credits as possible to ensure themselves a default hosting package. Some of the forums that are most useful in achieving that goal is Introduction, an My Theories Possibilities and Inovations.

@SM you speak of trap17 forums, only reason for quality is credits-hosting system, but i think that there are plenty members here who are just that- members and who really don't care about hosting credits, as they are not hosted. Also lot's of members use trap17 as start for serious website, and soon as they exceed limit, their website is popular enough to sustain hosting expenses on its own.

Also some members are not regular on forums, couse they gather enough credits for maybe month or two, and then set their alarm clock when they expire, and then get back on forums, looking for topics and answering mostly outdated subjects in order to gather their credits supply for another few months.

Maybe 3 posts a day limit, and maybe few days transfer if you really can't get it, could force member to be more regular on forums. And that is quite important factor too.
But like i said, i'm maybe wrong about this, and most hosted users here would agree, but this community is not only built of hosted members who strive for credits, but also from regular members who just enjoy high quality of moderation of the forums.

Note:
You wouldn't be limited to POST only 3 posts, you could a same post 10 or 20 or 100 posts a day, it's just that 3 posts would be counted in for credits, as it is average of most members on forums. Maybe even 5 posts a day. But you could still write another 10 posts if you feel like, it's just that it wouldn't be counted for credits.

And i really don't think that your analogy with water holds water on this matter. Like i noted above, you could post how much you want, but you would only be credite for 3 posts.

[Plenoptic]

The people that post a bunch to save up their credits will just save their extra posts that they would make in one day and then save them for the next day. If the number of posts allowed to be made per day are limited, the number of members joining will slow a lot because they want their package right away so they won't want to wait 3 days to get going if they make four line posts. Some people don't have the time in a week to make 3 posts a day or really long posts to keep their credits up that is why they sometimes come in on big one day streaks. I've made about 15 posts in the past 24 hours or so I think it was and they all have been of good length/quality with the exception of a few which are expected. I just like to post but the extra credits are helpful especially for when the Trap Awards come to town again and I give them away.

[Saint_Michael]

matak, on May 28 2007, 09:56 AM, said:

I posted this couse i'm sure that trap17 forum quality doesn't depend only beacouse of the hosting feature that same provides. Also there is several pros and cons for this idea. If you look at the number 3 posts a day, i guess it's most average number of posts on trap17 forums. Most members that are new rush on to gather as much credits as possible to ensure themselves a default hosting package. Some of the forums that are most useful in achieving that goal is Introduction, an My Theories Possibilities and Inovations.

@SM you speak of trap17 forums, only reason for quality is credits-hosting system, but i think that there are plenty members here who are just that- members and who really don't care about hosting credits, as they are not hosted. Also lot's of members use trap17 as start for serious website, and soon as they exceed limit, their website is popular enough to sustain hosting expenses on its own.

Also some members are not regular on forums, couse they gather enough credits for maybe month or two, and then set their alarm clock when they expire, and then get back on forums, looking for topics and answering mostly outdated subjects in order to gather their credits supply for another few months.

Maybe 3 posts a day limit, and maybe few days transfer if you really can't get it, could force member to be more regular on forums. And that is quite important factor too.
But like i said, i'm maybe wrong about this, and most hosted users here would agree, but this community is not only built of hosted members who strive for credits, but also from regular members who just enjoy high quality of moderation of the forums.

Note:
You wouldn't be limited to POST only 3 posts, you could a same post 10 or 20 or 100 posts a day, it's just that 3 posts would be counted in for credits, as it is average of most members on forums. Maybe even 5 posts a day. But you could still write another 10 posts if you feel like, it's just that it wouldn't be counted for credits.

And i really don't think that your analogy with water holds water on this matter. Like i noted above, you could post how much you want, but you would only be credite for 3 posts.

You are correct that former hosted members still use the forum and are just posting because they want to because how great it has become in the last 3 years. With reference to my 3 sips of water I was referring to the fact that not all post require 8 pages of text for a simple question. It varies from poster to poster but someone could earn exactly 3 credits on 3 posts. So if they only had 2-3 days of hosting and had to leave somewhere for a couple of weeks then they have to go through a long process of getting themselves out of the negative. Either way limited the number a posts a person can make credits on will only cause problems and headaches for those looking for serious hosting.

[saga]

At the early stage of a newly hosted member. His desires to post come solely from the reason that he wants his hosting to continue. His post may lack quality sometime but not all the time. As time pass by he will learn to appreciate the forum and will gladly share his knowledge and ideas and even help other members in the forum.

If you limit the newly hosted members to gain credit only on its first 3 post then I'm pretty sure that he wont survive a month and will not be able to appreciate the site because you took away his desires at the early stage of his membership and by that he will lose the motivation to write even a two sentence or a 4 sentence quality post.

Writing a tutorial is not an easy task and besides it sounds funny if we all write tutorials. After a week there is nothing to write to.

Also each of us has different time schedule and availability. For example a member is only available at weekend because during weekdays he is busy at work. Now since only the first 3 post will have credits then during weekend you are forcing him to write a lengthy post which most likely annoy him because instead of relaxing he will have to deal with making a tutorial or perhaps a thesis paper hehehe... and the after effect of this is most likely a copy and paste of information without proper quoting.

If this forum was launched a week ago then that idea might work because there are still plenty of ideas to talk about and tutorials to make. But this site is over a year old and its hard to make a lengthy post anymore because most likely the one you are talking about is already in the forum.

To raise quality post you have to encourage them to post not to discourage.

[master_bacarra]

saga, on May 29 2007, 07:02 AM, said:

At the early stage of a newly hosted member. His desires to post come solely from the reason that he wants his hosting to continue. His post may lack quality sometime but not all the time. As time pass by he will learn to appreciate the forum and will gladly share his knowledge and ideas and even help other members in the forum.

this one i totally agree with. i think it is a trend amongst the newbies (if not all) whose primary motivation in joining the forum is to get a free hosting. i, myself, am an example. i think i've argued with someone before here who accused me of posting because i wanted to earn credits. that's partially true. if you've been in trap for the longest time, your stay here is not merely limited to just posting for the sake of earning credits for your site. and your other reason would be is to know other members more.

[sylenzednuke]

I disagree all the way with this idea. If you're limiting only 3 posts per day to be given credits, no one will be motivated to post more than 3 posts per day. Writing tutorials would definitely help but all of us aren't capable of writing tutorials, it's not an easy job to write one for everyone to understand. And if we all just keep on writing tutorials, what would be left to write on? Many people don't even know beyond HTML and basic CSS, I am speaking of the newbies.

master_bacarra, on May 29 2007, 12:53 PM, said:

this one i totally agree with. i think it is a trend amongst the newbies (if not all) whose primary motivation in joining the forum is to get a free hosting. i, myself, am an example. i think i've argued with someone before here who accused me of posting because i wanted to earn credits. that's partially true. if you've been in trap for the longest time, your stay here is not merely limited to just posting for the sake of earning credits for your site. and your other reason would be is to know other members more.

When I was a newbie, all I wanted to is get credits and get a hosting package. I never knew anything more than HTML, and then after joining in here I learnt whatever I know now. The want to be able to write more posts, help more members and then become a respected member, I started taking interest in different things and then when I gained some knowledge, started sharing it.

And now Trap17 is not just my hosting service, it's sort of an addiction, I learnt so many things from here, I'll get the chance to help more and more people and know of different problems people might experience.

None of this could've been possible if my "early ventures" into this community would've been blocked and I would be posting only 3 posts per day, after getting my hosting for the first time, I took off don't know why, lost my hosting and everything, then when I came back, I posted so much that I gained 36 credits in one single day and got my hosting back! That was 'cause now I knew more things, I could help more people and I could post that much and still reap the benefits out of them (hosting credits.)

[galexcd]

matak, on May 28 2007, 02:17 AM, said:

It's rarely that first timer get's approved in one day. It takes couple of days, in which you can get credits in no time. I think that this way maybe trap could prune users that get here only for hosting and not contributing with quality but rather posting anything just in order to get enough credits to be hosted.

Well yeah it would take them mabey 2-4 days now, but with an idea of limiting it 3 per day, it would take them AT THE LEAST 10 days to get 30, and we all know that they aren't going to be here every day for 10 days posting exactly 3 credits worth of posts. I'm guessing it will raise the amount of posting time for newcomers from 2-4 to 15-25...

It sounded like it has a good intention behind it, but it just doesn't quite work for me

[FLaKes]

I wouldnt like the idea either, sometimes I cant log in for like a week, and if after that I can only get 3 credits a day it would continue loosing credits that way. Sometimes there isnt a good discussion thread in which you can create a long good quality post.