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[karlosantana]

After loosing my temper with XP i completely re-installed my pc with...

an operating system called ubuntu Its Really good ive got a plugin called Beryl well i wont explain ill show go to youtube and search "ubuntu beryl" I hope you fall in love with it like i did! i will never turn back!

Anyone worried about compatibility?
Well theres a windows simulator called WINE that you install into ubuntu and you can install aplications for windows in that!

FREE really?
yup as shuttleworth (the dude who designed it) gets more and more better, so do his designs he (like me) belives that software should be free and you should donate if you enjoyed it!

Do i like it?
Put it this way every computer i build from now on will have ubuntu installed on it (makes a rude gesture to windows!)

I hope that ammuses you any questions fell free to post back!

Ubuntu Kicks *bottom*

[musicmaza]

It seems that Ubuntu is a great operating system.But I don't have a fast internet connection and I am thinking to a request a CD of it for free,but is it safe because I have first time seen a company or an individual providing a CD and also its shipment for free.I don't know, but is the delivery safe and would it cost anything extra for shipment.

[truefusion]

musicmaza, on Dec 30 2007, 02:01 PM, said:

but is it safe because I have first time seen a company or an individual providing a CD and also its shipment for free.I don't know, but is the delivery safe and would it cost anything extra for shipment.

The entire thing is free and completely safe. I ordered a CD from their ShipIt service when Kubuntu 7.04 was their stable release, and it arrived in around 2 to 3 weeks. It has a nice and simple CD cover.

[Tramposch]

I dont like it lol..

You have to manually do stuff with programs to make em work, i dont even know what and how lol

[Revan]

Yeah, call me old fashioned, but I prefer Windows simply because of compatibility and accessibility. I consider myself moderately knowledgeable on the subject of computers, so I was impressed with how little I knew when I tried to set up a LAMP server for my spare computer. I ended up doing it through windows 2k, which works great, but I've heard so many good things about Linux I wanted to give it a try. Maybe in the future I'll try again when I have someone extremely familiar with the ways of Linux helping me install and prepare.

[dre]

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You have to manually do stuff with programs to make em work, i dont even know what and how lol

Which programs in particular? Also, Google is a huge help for newcomers to Ubuntu if you use it right. Not to mention the huge community eager to help out.

[karlosantana]

Well actually the compatibility is NO PROBLEM! and the manual thing? well ubuntu has something called "Synaptic Package Manager" which you search for an application (i.e. put in web designer and it will search for it!) and guess what... you don't have to touch the keyboard! it does it Automatically!
Accessibility? haha you've made me laugh unbuntu was built with accessibility in mind so even computer literate people wont have a problem

My advice?
Download the live CD test it out work with it before long you'll love it and want to install it! beryl is brilliant however i do need to buy a graphics card any recommendations?

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but is it safe because I have first time seen a company or an individual providing a CD and also its shipment for free.I don't know, but is the delivery safe and would it cost anything extra for shipment.

well if you want you can pay me to do One for you no seriously its real im talking my brother into getting a CD however you could always donate to them help them along?

Oh forgot to mention theres a plug-in called wine, which enables you to install windows programs so any programs you do want to keep you could always put it through Wine!
believe me it is an unbelievable Operating System it is so incredible UBUNTU ALL THE WAY!

[mahesh2k]

Some myths.

Shuttleworh designed the ubuntu: >False he is the guy behind the ubuntu operating system for marketing promoting and administration like any other CEO.He is the CEO for canoncal ltd.whose buisness model is ubuntu service and maintenance and coding etc.

Ubuntu is cannoical product> 50% true it includes some proprietory code from canonical /along with docs and staff work on it.50% false cause the OS and software code is based on debain operating system.

Ubuntu is better than XP >True only for those who know the logic behind the computers and internet.Not for those who dont know about comouters other than opening office apps and playing music and movies.For such users windows is still a choice and will.Ubuntu or any linux will not be useful for them,cause there will always be people in the world who have more social IQ than techological IQ.And there will be some guys who have balance of both There is lot of contraversy for this just stop advocating any OS.especially Windows.Ubuntu is good but don't force or mention everytime this will deteroite the spirit of free software.let them switch if they want to.

Being ubuntu user from first version of it and official launchpad tester myself.It hurts to clear some myths.But truth is truth.

Edited by mahesh2k, 31 December 2007 - 04:51 PM.

[rvalkass]

mahesh2k, on Dec 31 2007, 04:48 PM, said:

Not for those who dont know about comouters other than opening office apps and playing music and movies.For such users windows is still a choice and will.Ubuntu or any linux will not be useful for them,cause there will always be people in the world who have more social IQ than techological IQ.

When the hard drive died in the desktop my parents use, I faced a choice of paying £30 for a new HDD and putting Kubuntu on there, or going in at around £150 minimum to put XP on it. They were used to XP; it was installed on that computer for over 7 years. However, to them, KDE seemed a lot more intuitive and logical. On Windows they couldn't install software, didn't know how to update Windows, couldn't rip CDs - in fact pretty much all they could do was browse the Internet and use Office. And this is after 7 years of practise at home and at work!

On Kubuntu they've now built up their music collection in Amarok, they can use Adept to install and update software with ease, they can burn CDs and DVDs and they are generally more confident in what they are doing. This is over a period of only a few days! To me that is a testament to how easy to use KDE is.

[karlosantana]

So mahesh2k where you running out of credits or do you just like to criticize?

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Truth is truth

meh so what? shuttleworths name is on it liked or not!

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Ubuntu is cannoical product

whether its 50% true or 10% true its still true! and its spelt canonical

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Ubuntu is better than XP

HAHA just to let you know its got the same user ability as mac. it is more powerful, it uses your hardware to its best potential! as for the office aps they are no different to xp open office is fantastic not to mention pdf support which oh yer no micrsoft office has ever had! not even 2008!

dude (or dudet) try it (the latest) i was exactly like you about the whole linux thing. 7.10 gutsy gibbon is the latest and best! oh and those peeps who are after free domain names... download the server edition and make your own server
UBUNTU ALL THE WAY!
I've had a good laugh (Jeremy Clarkson style) this post is not meant to cause offence by the way!

[omarsdali]

I always wanted to switch to linux but I wanted to try vista because it might be a good os. So I buy my first laptop, and because I like my computer to run very fast and be very responsive, I ordered the highest hardware ( T7200 2.0 GHZ and 2GB RAM ), Vista looked nice for the first couple months, but after that it got very slow after I installed a lot of applications, and I couldn't keep it on for more than 5 days before I had to reboot it because it got really slow, not to mention ie and msn messenger kept crashing. So I got sick of it and decided to finally install Linux along side windows and dual boot them. I wanted to go with Fedora because had tried Red Hat before but Fedora 8 didn't install on my laptop, the installer kept freezing tight before anaconda loaded. My next choice was Ubuntu, so I installed that and it was awsome, it added vista on startup so I can choose between both, I didn't even have to use BCDedit, and it runs VERY fast, I finally feel that the price I paid for my laptop was worth it. With Vista I was very disappointed but with Ubuntu I am very happy. Now I just have to find out how to run Dreamweaver on Ubuntu.

[rvalkass]

omarsdali, on Jan 1 2008, 05:07 AM, said:

Now I just have to find out how to run Dreamweaver on Ubuntu.

There is a guide, using Wine, that should get Dreamweaver running under Ubuntu and all versions based off it (Kubuntu etc.). However, due to a variety of issues there is no guarantee whatsoever that it will actually work. Give it a go and see if it works. If not, there are free alternatives.

[mahesh2k]

Mr. or Miss. or Mrs. karlosantana whoever you are.
Your reply to the thread published sounds more offenesive.But let's clear it up here.

I don't have idea how much you used linux or developed for it.I think u are are just plain user and not developer like me.
I'm using 8 diffrent distros on VMware right now.I've Contributed code to some commercial open source apps.And personally i'm Apple OSX user,I'm not in criticising the Linux or ubuntu.Or advocating windows.And i'm not hanging here for the Credits,i'm paid user of computinghost.
In fact i'm part of UBuntu ,i'm launchpad tester for ubutnu.

Rvklas>You told here your story how you and your fammily switch to linux.But can i tell u something there are buch of people with high social IQ who don't want to use it as eefectively as many others out there.They just want there work done they don't care for the technology and the computer stuff(We call them Leech,as they use otehr people/internet for there purposeand not appreciate for good things).For them windows provide better solution,i'm not saying it is easy to use than linux or mac.What i say is Windows is useful for so and so users.

Ubuntu is better than XP.
Personally i dont care who is better than who.Its the cycle that industry follow.
Developer>Product
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User/Organisation
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Operating system

Say more and more developers use and develop for linux(ubuntu) then normal users(including leeches) use it.And that operating system will have more desktop share,that is the casefor ubuntu.

One more thing i cleared some of the myths here as some guy here posted that ubuntu is created by mark shuttleworth that is plain wrong.Ubuntu kernel is of debian and uses gnome desktop manager and softwares in it are not written by him or canonical employees.On the contrary they are maintained and modified for the ubuntu desktop.Shuttleworth is propmoting use of it,not creating it.Shuttlewoth created it sounds much like sales persons lies or myth,same as many of the forum users spreasing myth like java is outdated and .net is currently most used framework.


Its good to have advicacy and spread wordthing but don't spread myths.it hurts technology than anything else.Sorry for ast type it may have mis typpos.

Edited by mahesh2k, 01 January 2008 - 03:04 PM.

[dre]

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Ubuntu is better than XP

Both are equally important to me, and there are things I have in XP that there's no way I can run in Ubuntu (DBPro, DeleD, Landscape Creator, most games, ect). I can just pop in Ubuntu and use my 64-bit power to render some 3D stuff a bit faster than I would have in XP and stuff like that. Ubuntu is great but I don't want to ditch XP and have to learn some other language to make programs and games in.

This is a bit off topic, but if anybody here has BlitzMax, could they give me a PM? I'm interested in what it has to offer in Linux.

[Tetraca]

Ubuntu is good for those who don't game, and want their hand held while using Linux just like in Windows or OS X. However, some people are so stubborn and filled with FUD that giving them Ubuntu would make them go nuts because some things are different from Windows. I do not reccomend getting any Linux operating system if the machine does not have an internet connection. Otherwise, it's rather useless and package management becomes something between pulling teeth and banging your head against the wall. With an internet connection it's better than installing with Windows installation programs since you can install many of them from one source, dependancies are filled, and you can do it in two clicks.

However, if you really want to learn Linux, BSD, or UNIX, the best way is to use an operating system which forces you to read the manual, and use a command line after installation. It makes you learn how to actually use a computer instead of letting the computer use you, but not a lot of people care to actually learn how to use their computer properly, unlike their car (well...that's debatable), or their stereo, or their excercise equipment. But then again, only a handful of Linux distros have good documentation to help you understand what everything is for, and even then not all applications have exactly the best documentation (tar comes to mind).

But, if you're a gamer, XP is still the best option. Sure, Linux has games, but don't kid yourself: you're not going to get the best games on Linux with the exception of three or four professional games ported unto the the system, compared to the hundreds of great games that Windows can offer you.

Edited by Tetraca, 01 January 2008 - 07:28 PM.

[FLaKes]

Well, here is my story with ubuntu. It was recommended to me by a friend some time ago so I decided to go to the webpage to download it, then I saw that they could sent it to you for free, so I ordered it and it arrived in about 4 or 5 weeks I think. When it arrived I really couldnt believe it, it came in this really cool package with the 2 discs I had ordered and a couple of stickers. It is really nice of them to do this, I am going to lend the cd's to a couple of friends after I finish migrating to it.

The big problem:
My brother had a lot of problems on his computer and he was fed up with windows, when my linux arrived he saw it and wanted to install it too. The only problem was that he does not know a lot about computers, so after the installation of the Operating system, (which was pretty good by the way, very user friendly) I was bombarded by questions every single minute. By that time, I had not installed linux on my pc or had ever used it much, and he was asking me how he could play mp3 and movies, etc. I got so fed up with him that I ended up telling him to google it up. After discovering what applications he needed for what he wanted he gave up after not being able to install what he downloaded. So I really dont think it is very user friendly, at least not yet.. It is easy to install now and they have improved the graphic user interface a lot, and I am not even considering beryl yet, but it is still not as easy to use as windows is.

I guess I will have to investigate what the synaptic package manager is and how it works.

I wonder If my brother was able to install his applications in linux as I went on vacations the next day and he left on vacations the day before I came back. I doubt it do, I fear that when he comes back and turns on his pc I will see windows on it again. Oh well, then I guess that would proove that it is still not for everybody.

[dre]

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I guess I will have to investigate what the synaptic package manager is and how it works.

It is the magical place where all you have to do is mark the check and there you go, the program installs itself. Also, I'm shocked that your bro couldn't get mp3 playing right away on Linux (do you recall which flavor it was?). As I remember, I could instantly do a majority of my usual tasks in Ubuntu without downloading anything, including listening to music.

Google is a great help to the less experienced Ubuntu users if you know where to look. There are so many resources online that explain step by step how to do things in Linux, but I'm amazed that people still come with questions that are easily answered on the internet.

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Oh well, then I guess that would proove that it is still not for everybody.

You need to be smarter than the usual 60% of computer users who are complete computer illiterates. This requires reading (oh no!) and some practice (being able to diagnose and solve problems when your PC has trouble). When I tell that to most people, they will not put in the effort and would rather pay $400 for software that cost 15 cents to manufacture (Vista). Also, of those 60% of computer users, Ubuntu would be able to do all of the tasks that about 50% of those people usually do without any magical computer hocus-pocus. Think about it, how many people just use the computer to surf the web, go on myspace, go on IM's, and type up the occasional report? I'd say 50% of computer users do just that and nothing else. Well, why are they paying money for craptacular Vista and craptastic Office? Everything they do can be easily done, with no advanced training, for free. The world just amazes me sometimes, but this proves the fact that Microsoft gets so much money because the majority of people are clueless and intellect is looked down upon.

Edited by dre, 02 January 2008 - 07:13 AM.

[rvalkass]

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I got so fed up with him that I ended up telling him to google it up. After discovering what applications he needed for what he wanted he gave up after not being able to install what he downloaded.

Just a hint to help you out: you need to make sure you download the .deb version of anything you want to install. Ubuntu is based on Debian and therefore uses Debian packages.

However, there is a much easier way to install most things. Open the Synaptic Package Manager and search for what you want, right click on the relevant package, then click Mark for Installation. If you're asked to install any extra packages, let it mark them for installation too. When you've selected everything you want, click on Apply. That will download the package, get all the dependencies and resolve any issues. There is a guide on the Ubuntu Wiki which goes through it all in more detail.

[jlrr94]

I tried Ubuntu and I like but not for my main laptop, I installed it on my secondary computer, and after trying it, I realized that it's a good OS, but I prefer a lot more Windows Vista, I don't know about what people say that it's a bad OS, etc. But for me, it's great and I won't leave it until the next Windows OS.

[Amiel]

At first I like Ubuntu and I always explore the things installed there. But at the end, I still prefer to Windows. Windows has more cooler things that Ubuntu cant do. Windows is very worthy to buy even though Ubuntu is free. In Ubuntu, I cant install games because there are no games that is for Ubuntu and it's so irritating. Oh well, stay with Windows, love and take care of it and you'll see what I mean.

[dre]

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At first I like Ubuntu and I always explore the things installed there. But at the end, I still prefer to Windows. Windows has more cooler things that Ubuntu cant do. Windows is very worthy to buy even though Ubuntu is free. In Ubuntu, I cant install games because there are no games that is for Ubuntu and it's so irritating. Oh well, stay with Windows, love and take care of it and you'll see what I mean.

Completely false statements. It's obvious that you either lack the knowledge to be able to search google about your problems, or you're too lazy. And besides, how hard is it to press add/remove programs and search games and download one, ready to play? Perhaps you didn't run Ubuntu or its variants, but if you didn't, then it's your fault that you didn't take 2 minutes of your time finding out which Linux flavor is the best to start with.

[Amiel]

Ok, I'm really lazy with this but I've searched in Google about Ubuntu and I saw the informations stated there and I didnt like it.

Yes you're true, I can download games but how about the other games which is needed to be installed by a CD? How about those other programs that needs to be installed by a CD? I'm sorry to say this but I dont think that I didnt see a program in stores that is compatible with Ubuntu. Tell me if there is, then I might change my mind.

I still prefer to Windows still. Every programs that people needs are there. And for the last, I explore Ubuntu for atleast 1 week and it's sooooo boring.

[truefusion]

Amiel, on Feb 1 2008, 03:32 AM, said:

I'm sorry to say this but I dont think that I didnt see a program in stores that is compatible with Ubuntu.

Given the grammar, you're saying that you did see a program that was made for Linux in stores. But you can't judge a system for its lack of certain support if it is out of their hands, that would be unfair. Microsoft, however, could have implemented all the support it had from Windows XP into Vista, but they didn't. It is not unfair to judge Vista for lack of support, because it wasn't out of Microsoft's hands. But Linux is increasing in popularity, and, although it may take a few years, we will soon be see-ing a bigger increase in support.

As a side note, Ubuntu 7.10 (and, i'm assuming, later versions) supports my 8600GT graphics card out of the box. This i find to be good news, for WINE has been reported (i saw screenshots) that it can run Call of Duty 4. Some have reported that multiplayer works also.

[rayzoredge]

First off, why are people even mentioning software in STORES for Linux? Everything for Linux is free (unless you purchase licensed commercial copies of sUSE or some other distribution like that). All the software that you will have available to you will be listed in the Adept Manager (in Ubuntu... I believe it's Yast in sUSE and called other things in other distributions). Tetraca is very right on needing an Internet connection to get things working... most likely a hard-line connection, since some wireless cards are still not supported ON installation. (But with programs like Ndiswrapper and WICD, connecting to your wireless network is a little easier with a bit of work.) With an Internet connection, a wealth of FREE software is at your fingertips. Why spend $100 on Microsoft Office, $600 on CAD software, $300 for Photoshop, 3DStudioMax, or anything, really, when you can get equivalents for free? (I'm talking about OpenOffice, TurboCAD [?], GIMP, Blender, etc.)

People are turned off by the idea of Linux because it immediately brings up the idea that it's geared more towards the technically-proficient (i.e. geeks). Another obstacle that most people won't bother with is the fact that they'll have to learn another operating system.

I just jumped back into Linux not too long ago with Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn). I tried upgrading to 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon), but I love my eye candy and Compiz was just not working for me, so I downgraded simply to have a working version of Beryl. (Oh, and by the way... I think that Beryl/Compiz is much better than Aero. It's almost like a combination of Aero and the eye candy effects of the Mac OSX interface... I think.) In all reality, Linux is designed for familiarity from other operating systems, depending on which distribution you decide to install. I'm personally happy with the look of Kubuntu, which almost mimicks and betters the Windows interface, whereas Gnome has more of a Mac feel (that I didn't like as much).

If you actually take the time to look at the operating system, you may find similarities between your current OS and your Linux distribution. In the case of Kubuntu, Add/Remove Programs is accessed by either the Adept Manager (a more advanced version) or by Kubuntu's own Add/Remove Programs interface (a GUI version of the Adept Manager). KNetworkManager or WICD replaces the Windows Zero Wireless configuration; the Start menu is the KDE menu; the taskbar is still there, but you can customize it so much more to your liking; you can personally skin just about anything in Kubuntu as opposed to Windows' limited options; and all the program support is there, including Wine, the Windows program emulator. (If it seems like I'm comparing Windows to Linux, I am... I'm not familiar enough with Mac OSX to make much of a comparison.)

Linux, in my opinion, is good for basic use (i.e. Internet, word processing, image editing, listening to music, etc.) as well as the advanced (i.e. CAD work, programming, etc.). Game support, however, is lacking in the aspect of the latest and greatest that we have for Windows (games like Call of Duty 4, World in Conflict, Crysis, etc.), as is Mac OSX. (I'm not sure what game developers have in store for Leopard.) Linux provides its own share of OpenGL games that will not blow you away as far as graphics go, but they can be as fun and addicting as Flash games online. (They also have a sort of charm to them too.) Basically, I would recommend Kubuntu to anyone looking for an operating system that is flexible and able to do anything but play games... which will turn off most gaming enthusiasts, but rumor has it that there is an answer to the DirectX compatibility issue that keeps gamers off of the Linux operating system.

The largest appeal to Linux will be its flexibility and being able to tweak it to however you want your operating system to look and function. Another large appeal is that it is free as opposed to having to fork over hundreds of dollars for Windows Vista and Mac Leopard (which are ridden with problems... it doesn't "just work" now, does it?). For a free OS that works and that caters itself to however the user wants it to, it's worth a look.

And keep in mind, I am a Windows user primarily but starting to play around more with Kubuntu. Each operating system has its pros and cons and I like Windows XP SP2 and Kubuntu Feisty Fawn, which is why I dual-boot.

[dre]

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I dont think that I didnt see a program in stores that is compatible with Ubuntu. Tell me if there is, then I might change my mind.

Quake 4, Doom 3, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars, Command and Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars, Battlefield 2 (especially if you got Cedega, but you need to pay for it, pretty cheap though). The first three are supported natively, CnC can use Wine or Cedega, and Battlefield 2 is buggy on Wine but runs perfectly on Cedega, from what I've seen.