38 replies to this topic

[bthaxor]

hey everyone,

i know opaque worked pretty hard to set up the new rating system (eRate! mod for ipb), however i believe it should be removed. my reasons:

1. people can abuse the system by rating people badly, just for the fun of it
2. to see a post's rating, you must actually click on the 'list' link, which i believe is inconvenient, because if i'm flicking through posts and wanna see the good ones, i'd like to see their rating without having to click on a link.
3. i actually believe the rating system is a bad idea - it is pointless, because it is quite obvious when a post is good and when it is spam. i believe there are no positives to having one, and all that's going to happen is that it will be abused.

just my input, however i really don't like the idea of the rating system.

[OpaQue]

Hello Members,

You all might have noticed the new module setup on Trap17. This module helps members rate individual posts which should help others get more idea about the user and the post they are reading.

The module had some bugs in it, however I managed to make it work with the board. If you face any errors, please report them here. Your reviews and suggestions are welcome

Thank you,

Shree

[Spyda]

Hey this looks great, it will help people see who is more respected among the community. Thanks for installing it, I'll defintley check this out.

[FlameX]

Hey i agree with bk2070.. this thing is really rocking and very useful ..

this looks too cool .. >

but i have doubt folks .. Will this feature affect our credits ?
like if someone does " SPAm " rating , will my credits go low . and what if some rates it Informative or Thanks or Funny or anything ,
will the credits go high or it will b stable . ?

i would say it this Feature should also be related to our credits > it will be more fun .. wat say !

What i suggest is if its a SPAM rating or Disagree rating dont cut down the Credits but if it is a praise credit like " Thanks , Informative , Funny . etc ... " u can increase it by some points ,
the reason i am saying 'dont cut' , is coz if some one doesnt want anybodys credits to go high they will always Rate a that person SPAM , and then his credits will always go low just because of that person , even though the post would be good .

Edited by FlameX, 24 March 2008 - 06:56 AM.

[delivi]

thanks a lot OpaQue, this new feature is really cool and very useful.

Can we sort the posts based on what the user has rated it?

[OpaQue]

delivi, on Mar 24 2008, 01:58 PM, said:

thanks a lot OpaQue, this new feature is really cool and very useful.

Can we sort the posts based on what the user has rated it?

Good Question.. This is exactly what I m planning to code ahead. Because sorting feature is not available. :-)

[rvalkass]

Great work OpaQue It looks like a lot of people are already putting it to good use. It also looks like everyone is using it properly and rating posts correctly - I'm finding it quite useful.

My one problem, I suppose, is just a small annoyance with where the image is placed next to a username. When you click the image to see how people have been rated, it always brings down the menu linked to their username:

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It just means I have to make the menu disappear before I can read the ratings - not a major problem

FlameX, on Mar 24 2008, 06:44 AM, said:

What i suggest is if its a SPAM rating or Disagree rating dont cut down the Credits but if it is a praise credit like " Thanks , Informative , Funny . etc ... " u can increase it by some points ,
the reason i am saying 'dont cut' , is coz if some one doesnt want anybodys credits to go high they will always Rate a that person SPAM , and then his credits will always go low just because of that person , even though the post would be good .

It would get abused either way. People would start randomly voting posts up just to earn credits.

[Saint_Michael]

Ah the ratings post is finally here, and yes awesome move, and rvalkass that was the first error I found to with this mod was the alignment issues with the icon and the user name, but of course it gets more interesting in each browser to. As to Flames question now they will not affect your credits, and someone should make that post disappear just because I am getting the spam icon by members here . Yeah I agree with rvalkass that people would abuse the ratings system just as quickly, but of course setting a post count limit to new members would stop that abuse rather quickly, and besides those who spam anyway will lose those credits when their posts get removed.

As for another idea you should add the ratings module to the profile as well just so we don't have to see what we have on our posts, and speaking of posts should look into setting up the ratings system so that it leaves a link in the person's name to the post, and not the profile, that way members can see why and where this got this rating. Of course I don't know if this has been seen or done yet but if someone could verify to see what happens when someone gets 2 or more ratings from two different categories of the rating mode, just because I brough up to OpaQue that the position could be vertical for each new rating instead of horizontal, if that make sense.

As for new idea's I think that is it for now.

bthaxor, on Mar 23 2008, 05:14 PM, said:

hey everyone,

i know opaque worked pretty hard to set up the new rating system (eRate! mod for ipb), however i believe it should be removed. my reasons:

1. people can abuse the system by rating people badly, just for the fun of it
2. to see a post's rating, you must actually click on the 'list' link, which i believe is inconvenient, because if i'm flicking through posts and wanna see the good ones, i'd like to see their rating without having to click on a link.
3. i actually believe the rating system is a bad idea - it is pointless, because it is quite obvious when a post is good and when it is spam. i believe there are no positives to having one, and all that's going to happen is that it will be abused.

just my input, however i really don't like the idea of the rating system.

#1 Well hopefully members are smart enough not to do that because that can display a message about how trap17 runs its forums and what not.
#2 With that suggestion you may want to bring it up with the designers of the mod, and also OpaQue has plans on making adjustments to this mode so it could be a possible idea to change it to fit trap17 needs.
#3 Refer to number #1, but also you could say this mod will show what kind of poster someone is because sometimes a person doesn't need to make out posts to be a good poster, but since everyone here knows how trap17 works I high doubt abusing this system would be such a problem.

Edited by Saint_Michael, 24 March 2008 - 05:56 PM.

[galexcd]

I love the new idea, only a few annoying bits as rvalkass said, to view each other's ratings you must first get rid of the menu. I would like to see the rating icon perhaps not even be part of that menu, and it would be nice if the list of ratings the post got was in the right side menu under the avatar and all that jazz just so we can at a glance see what others think of the posts without clicking on "list" on every post in the thread. Other than that I like it. I am not concerned about it being abused that much, yes I am sure that it will be by some, but after a while, there will be so many legit ratings that the few illegitimate ratings won't mean much.

[Absolute Zer0]

The rating system has it's ups and downs, it can work well if it's not abused, on the other hand, it's often abused. Some people may rate random topics 1 just 'cause they feel like it, without even glancing at the content. Not only is it discouraging for the topic starter, but people may be less likely to look at topics with a 1. On the other hand, people could do the same thing with MAX ratings, and that can ALSO be bad. If all the topics on a page are rated the same high score, whats the point in a rating system at all? And what about the few the person missed? What'll happen to them? Maybe because they're different, more people will visit them, maybe not.

My overall opinion on it is that it's a nifty feature, but it's best not to pay too much attention to topic ratings, as they can be seriously inaccurate. Also, people may give topics low or high scores based on the fact that they agree or disagree with the starters opinions, regardless of what kind of argument the starter is making. There's also the "I don't like you so I'm gonna rate all your topics one!" factor, if one member just plain doesn't like another for whatever reason, they could also abuse the feature. With all those things at play, the ratings could be all over the place whether the topic deserves it's rating or not.

Of course, I've only observed this on small forums, as most big ones don't use this feature, so maybe it'll work out better here. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[truefusion]

I've noticed that all moderators' posts are automatically considered "informative"—perhaps remove this? I can see this script being useful in the Suggestions forum, and somewhat in general. Abusing the rating system isn't that big of a problem with me (though i can see all of S_M's posts being rated as spam ). I was wondering a bit why a description of this script wasn't mentioned, though.

Also, i'm not really sure how the whole system works. Why are there two: a "Was Rated" and a "Ratings Given"? Also, looking at Alex's post, i see the artistic symbol rather than the agree symbol.

FlameX said:

i would say it this Feature should also be related to our credits > it will be more fun .. wat say !

Having the credit system be affected by this script is not a good idea, especially for those who think this script can and will be abused.

[sonesay]

The ""Ratings Given" is ones given out by you. So basically it tracks ratings you have given out to people (right column). Left column ("Was rated") is ratings given to you by others.

I kinda like the script and think it should stay .

[truefusion]

sonesay, on Mar 25 2008, 03:12 AM, said:

The ""Ratings Given" is ones given out by you. So basically it tracks ratings you have given out to people (right column). Left column ("Was rated") is ratings given to you by others.

Ah, okay. I was getting confused thinking my votes for other's posts would show up in that one post i rated, and not show the user's universal stats along with that user's post's stats. It seems some symbols take up more priority in alphabetical order, in case of a draw—this would explain why Alex's post is, as of this post, marked artistic.

[Forbez]

bthaxor, on Mar 23 2008, 09:14 PM, said:

hey everyone,

i know opaque worked pretty hard to set up the new rating system (eRate! mod for ipb), however i believe it should be removed. my reasons:

1. people can abuse the system by rating people badly, just for the fun of it
2. to see a post's rating, you must actually click on the 'list' link, which i believe is inconvenient, because if i'm flicking through posts and wanna see the good ones, i'd like to see their rating without having to click on a link.
3. i actually believe the rating system is a bad idea - it is pointless, because it is quite obvious when a post is good and when it is spam. i believe there are no positives to having one, and all that's going to happen is that it will be abused.

just my input, however i really don't like the idea of the rating system.

I agree with this guy. It's stupid, I'm sure as hell not going to rate anyone's posts. Far to much effort, you can tell if a posts good anyway normally by their grammar and punctuation. But heck, it's your forums I'm sure a lot of people would love this rating thing.

[midnightvamp]

Well, I didn't even notice the rating thing until I found this post... maybe I'm just not very observant? Whatever. Anyway, I think that the system is pretty cool, because I've never seen anything that you could rate with so many possibilities. Typically it's just a 'thumbs up' or 'thumbs down' type thing. But this is definitely different than I've ever seen before. Not really sure how many people are going to use it, and since I read that it won't really affect your credits in anyway, I feel a little more assured. Because then it probably won't get abused so much, but even if it does, it shouldn't really make too much difference. As far as I can tell anyway.

Anyway, as always, it's nice to pop on here and read about the new things that are happening to make the forums better

[delivi]

this plugin works great and I really like it, I'd love to see my posts that someone thanked or disagreed or said informative and so on..., this will help a lot to find where we did some thing useful or something where we were wrong and so on...

[midnightvamp]

I actually came in to this thread to ask about the new "(list)" feature that also appeared, but when I was in here and clicked on my last post, it showed (is showed a word? It sounds so wrong lol) that it's for the actual ratings that the individual post received. I thought it might be for that reason, but before all the ones that I'd clicked on were blank, so I was thinking maybe it was a feature that didn't work quite yet. But for some reason, I was still thinking it had something to do with the ratings lol.

Anyway, I found that part to be very cool. Because then I can see which posts I've done that were good, and which were bad. I'm liking this more all the time. I'm having way too much fun with the rating system now - and that's my honest opinion after spending a day getting familiar with it!

[musicmaza]

A very great idea and a very great feature
Opaque's hard work can be seen in post rating module setup
thanks a lot!!
now people can get idea about a particular user
And also the posting quality would surely improve....as most members would want to be ranked good!

[galexcd]

Forbez, on Mar 25 2008, 06:48 PM, said:

I agree with this guy. It's stupid, I'm sure as hell not going to rate anyone's posts. Far to much effort, you can tell if a posts good anyway normally by their grammar and punctuation. But heck, it's your forums I'm sure a lot of people would love this rating thing.

You make a good point here, but there are two reasons why I disagree with your post. First of all I like to see what other members think of a certain post. Not everyone has the same opinion. They may have a much different rating that I would give the post, and I find it interesting how many people agree with me and how many don't. But the main reason I like this is because when I see a member's post I find it interesting of their overall rating in the forum. How many posts he has made that the members like, and how many posts he has made that the members don't like.

[serverph]

ONE QUESTION: Will Trap FeedBacker also make use of the Post Rating Module?

as we can easily verify from our board statistics, a substantial amount of traffic comes from guests (who becomes Trap Feedbacker) when s/he decides to make a reply to a post/topic thread. since replies are accepted in principle to come from guests, can post ratings be far behind? what i'm basically saying is, these guest users get drawn here to our trap17 community forums since their search resulted in something relevant to them, and they could add an objective point of view on how they rate the posts here, apart from members here who may decide to play with the post ratings modules of course. ratio of guests to members (hosted and non-hosted) at any given time is very high so i suppose we can't overlook their importance.

[Saint_Michael]

Well out of curiosity of your question server I look to see what the ratings system looks like as a guest based on the full version and not the trap feedbacker. A user would have to be logged in an order to be able to rate a topic, and with how trap feedbacker is set up it would make it seem impossible, although that isn't the word I want to use with this situation, because guest is basically emailing a post to be added. However, the idea I thought of which includes a bit more work for hte mods who approve these messages is that the user who is using the trap feedbacker could select a rating for the topic or rather the original poster of the topic.

They could be prompted in a series of check boxes on what posts they like or did like based on the ratings system, and then whoever approves the messages, can log into trap feedbacker and then select those options. Yeah it sounds like a lot of work but it would be the only way not to compromise the trap feedbacker account. Of course that means that there would have to be some tinkering with how lofi view looks, and since it has been a few years I don't know if there is lofi script.

Of course the other idea would be to prompt guests if they like rating posts and what to register with the forum and go from there.

Also one of my questions have been answered about how the list view is set up has been answered as well.

Edited by Saint_Michael, 26 March 2008 - 07:54 PM.

[hitmanblood]

I like it, it looks really nice, and I hope that people will use it honorably. Well I haven't tried it yet but I see that people are already using it since each member has something written to his name I hope that these are not just some random values at first. You can really see probably in the tutorial section who is working the most and so on.

[KansukeKojima]

I think this is a pretty awesome idea.

1. I love this idea because it helps to give feedback to other users on their topics, posts, etc.

2. It feels great giving people a gold star... haha

One improvement I would like to see is that as well as showing who gave you those ratings (or possibly replacing who gave you them), when you click on the links, it takes you to the post or topic that you were rated in. That way, users are able to see what they were rated for, as well as who rated them.

Hmm... other than that.....

OpaQue, you get a gold star.... literally.

[midnightvamp]

KansukeKojima, on Mar 26 2008, 05:24 PM, said:

One improvement I would like to see is that as well as showing who gave you those ratings (or possibly replacing who gave you them), when you click on the links, it takes you to the post or topic that you were rated in. That way, users are able to see what they were rated for, as well as who rated them.

I also thought this would be a good thing, but I wasn't really sure if it could be implemented so easily into the forums. But if it would be possible I think that would make it even better! Even if there is just a thing in our profiles that mentions the links to the last 10 ratings or something... least that way we could see easily which ratings we got from where.

[jlhaslip]

Click on the symbol that appears in your Posting sidebar to see a list of the ratings you have received, then click on the icons in the left-hand side.