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[saitunes]

Here is the question, Which is better Apple logic or digidesign protools? That is the question.

***Just to clarify, as bluechip noted I didn't explain what they both do****
Logic and Protools are pro-level recording software, if you thought that Audacity was good, you aint seen nothing yet.
Logic Screenshot 1600x1200 http://www.tweakhead...ogic-studio.jpg
Protools screenshot 1024 x 768 (an old one, but its still protools) http://aes.harmony-central.com/113AES/Cont...ols-6-large.jpg

Both enable you to multitrack record, put effects on each (such as compression, reverb, delay etc), its pro level recording software, both are big companies, Apple make computers, digidesign make digital audio hardware (audio interfaces for computers, digital mixing consoles) So they're both pretty big companies.
***Hopefully that clarified that for you bluechip and anyone else who was confused***

Logic Pros:
Cheap
Doesn't require any additional hardware to use (a decent audio interface is reccomended)
No Dongle
Bucketloads of free plug-ins and effects (none of which require activation or registration)
such awesome EXS (sampler) instruments
Can handle midi better than protools
Anything pro tools can do, it can do.

Protools Pros:
Everyone uses it (industry standard)
LE comes with some audio interfaces (which ironically it needs to run)
Both Win & Mac compatible
can use control surfaces

Logic Cons
metering freezes when going into a menu (add plugins etc)
Logic 8 (full install) Requires 50+ gig for all samples and libraries but can be installed on an external HD

Pro tools cons
Needs digidesign hardware to run (cannot mix on the go)
plugins require activation, and when running a volume license is a pain to manage
The Metering is pre-fader.
more steps to set up a 'reverb bus'
Not as simple and easy to use as logic

If anyone has anything they'd like to add, They're more than welcome to. Especially cons for logic, i cant think of any more

Edited by saitunes, 06 May 2008 - 10:17 PM.

[bluechip]

Just what are you talking about. Which tools are these what do they do. Is everyone supossed to know things like this coz I'm totally lost. Why are you looking for cons for Logic? U think it is a great product and I'm sure eeryone will agree with u especially if Logic is made by the smaller company of the two. Just like Microsoft and anything else

[galexcd]

Well you already mentioned all of the pros and cons I was going to bring up. It's really up to you and up to the system you are hoping to run it on. As you mentioned pro tools is the industry standard and if you want to do this for your future career I would recommend that just so you have the experience with it. The only con I can think of that you left out for pro tools would be its support on mac. Most of the time when apple releases a new OS, pro tools doesn't run too well on it, and digidesign rushes to try and fix it. So if you always want to be up to the newest version of apple's operating systems I would recommend Logic, otherwise they are both great software. It is just up to you and which one you feel more comfortable with.

[iGuest]

Starter
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I'm looking to start making some tunes, and I'm lost with all of the programmes out ther, which one is the best for beginners??

-reply by Iain Watson

[iGuest]

i really think logic is better than protools
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Ok,I must say that Pro Tools is a great DAW enviornment when working with multi-tracks,however I have outputed stuff str8 outa P.T. And its just not the same as Logic 8.Logic has a superior sound quality;it's cleaner and it reproduces what you put in and with the right amount of tweaking can sound very BIG.It gives you tools which you would have to register and ilok the **** out of just 2 get the sound you want.Not to mention the thousands of dollars you would have 2 spend 2 get them.Logic gives 50 gigs of that good ****.Protools is just 2 ****ing expensive.There are certain tools which have the edge over Logic 8 like vocalign.Hearing what T-pain did with his mixes in Logic made me wanna **** with Logic like right away.

-reply by Big Beast

[iGuest]

beginners luck
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Replying to iGuest

What kind of tunes do you want to make?

Are you using a mac or pc?

If your using a mac garageband is really easy to use and super fun.

If you like your dance and want some good quick results you could try FL - also really easy to use so I am told and some sweet vocal effects on it too.

Hope this helps

:-)


-reply by twangy mermaid

[iGuest]

pro tools conPro Tools Or Logic 8?

Another Con for Pro-tools unfortunately:

bounces to disk in real time converts in real time. 

other programs, for example, garageband, or logic or sonar etc.. They do not.

this can save you so much time when you're trying to work on a project or transport it or whatever. I have found that to be rather annoying. But it's alright I guess because I like pro-tools.

-reply by Elliot

[iGuest]

 Naw I'm just kidding, unless you got a tape machine then ill buy it from you. Anyways, Logic is the **** for production/ in-the-box mixing. Pro tools is the **** for tracking. They should **** and have a baby. Cons of logic- when you punch in it freezes for a sec. Cons of pro tools, is that its pro-tools (madd $$$ or cheap converters, take your pick).

Apple offers 1 year memberships for $99. You go in once a week for an hour and learn logic face to face with an expert.

Pro tools offers certifications. They have different rankings. Usually the classes start out at roughly $1000 but to completely learn pro tools (and the icon board) go get up to $10,000

Of course you could learn it all your self for free, over a longer period of time.  

-reply by Lensekraft 8

[iGuest]

What PC recording program would best suit my needs?Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I've used logic recording software in the past, but now that apple bought out the program, it is no longer available on PC.  I really likes the user friendly MIDI portion of the program, because it had very high zooming capabilities.  I just bought a new PC, and would like to purchase a similar program that is as user friendly as Garage Band or Logic Express, the old version of logic. Which programs would most likely suit my needs?

-reply by melissa

 

[iGuest]

What PC recording program would best suit my needs?Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I've used logic recording software in the past, but now that apple bought out the program, it is no longer available on PC.  I really likes the user friendly MIDI portion of the program, because it had very high zooming capabilities.  I just bought a new PC, and I'm looking for a program with similar capabilities that is as user friendly as Garage Band or Logic Express, the older version of logic.  What programs are available that would most likely suit my needs?

-question by Melissa

 

[iGuest]

Logic for music, Pro tools for trackingPro Tools Or Logic 8?

Get logic for music, if you realy track allot of vocals which will need critical editing then you will need pro tools, they realy fixed both programs so that you pay for the features you need, 

for example logic has tons of plugs, built into osx, and all the features like PDC, mp3 export and dithering which are sold as 3rd party features when you buy pro tools are there in logic, 

But pro tools has better editing features logic lacks when you realy need to edit close, and maintain levels,  your better having both really, but if you only work with loops, simple recordings then stick with logic.

All best

-reply by Man from mars

 

[iGuest]

Pro Tools or Logic 8?Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

 Melissa-

Shoot for Pro Tools 8. I have been working with Logic Pro and Garageband for about 8 years now and LOVE them (I know them both inside and out), BUT in the work environment just about everyone is using Pro Tools. I GUARANTEE Sonar would be useless (mainly because no one uses it, and if you decide to use it it takes up A LOT of memory with the whole "64-bit" quality thing). If you know Logic well all you will have to do in Pro Tools is get acquainted with where all the tools and plug-ins are located. Cubase could be another option, if you want to be advanced, because they partnered up with Celemony to give you a Melodyne-type pitch correction. But I suggest Pro Tools 100% if you want to make a career out of recording

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-reply by Tim Homan

 

[iGuest]

Pro Tools or Logic 8?Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Hi!

LP or PT... 

My opinion: LP it's a GREAT app, no doubt. It's really PRO, the quality of the recordings is fantastic and YOU DON'T NEED AN EXTERNAL SOUNDCARD!

(Not like PT...)

PT is the best, we all know it, but first think: why PT it's standard in all the studios around the world??? 

Simple: They strike first, they build the hard (like Apple and they OS's & computers) and the soft.

Now the both level is awesome, I work with PT8 and LP8 and the new design of  PT it's so LP8... That's make me laugh!

Somethings of LP8 are great, others of PT too, but they got the real weapons to rule.

Gretings!

PS: My english sucks, I knew... Sorry!

-reply by Blackmac

 

[iGuest]

LOGIC STUDIO AND LOGIC PROPro Tools Or Logic 8?

Hi I'm new to all this Logic studio stuff but I was wondering , Do you have to have logic studio 8 to run logic pro8? Or can you just go out and buy Logic pro With no problem?.

thanks.

[TEKahuna]

(G)OC, on May 14 2009, 07:06 AM, said:

LOGIC STUDIO AND LOGIC PRO
Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Hi
I'm new to all this Logic studio stuff but I was wondering , Do you have to have logic studio 8 to run logic pro8? Or can you just go out and buy Logic pro With no problem?.

thanks.

Logic Pro 8, is part of Logic Studio... It's a package that retails for $500, which is pretty cool, since Logic Pro 7 alone, used to retail for $1000...

[iGuest]

There are other options peeps, not only Logic and ProToolsPro Tools Or Logic 8?

Though Logic and ProTools are the best, in my opinion, there are other extremely powerful and affective options for a DAW (digital audio workstation) program.

Such as MOTU's Digital Performer - I started out with this program, and it's pretty user friendly and very well set up. It works seamlessly with MOTU's 828mk3 interface. With these two items... You can do anything you can imagine. DP is made mostly for video to music work, but works beautifully with just recording.

A decent, and affordable DAW for PC is Cakewalk. Most DAW's have like a try-it-for-30-days type thing, I believe, this would be the best route. Just try out each one.

To fully utilize a DAW like Logic, you need a good interface. One that works perfectly with logic is Apogee's Ensemble, though it's very expensive at almost 2K, and works best on a Mac. But, there are plenty affordable interfaces out there in the low hundreds that work fine.

This is not an interface related post, I apologize. A DAW mostly depends on what type of music you want to do. There are some specifically for electronic music, though they all can do about anything, but have many differences, obviously.

Logic 9, which just came out, has some incredible guitar amp emulators that sound incredibly stunning. If you don't have much guitar hardware, and want to get some hot sounds, go with Logic 9. It's only $500.

I use DP, Logic, and ProTools, and have separate interfaces for each program. I do recording in Logic, sometimes put some of those recorded tracks in DP to use some of its hot plug-ins and other nidbits, and then I always do some clean post-production work in ProTools - which I feel its best at.

Just F around! Try it all! Go nuts! Learn everything you can get your hands on! - The best way to get good at stuff like this.

Peace.

[iGuest]

Pro Tools or Logic 8Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I actually have both!  I first fooled around with Pro Tools and I'll tell you that you can do soooooo much with it than Logic.  The editing capabilities are endless and it makes editing and mixing a breeze.  Now for Logic...  The instruments are better than Pro Tools.  50 gigs of instruments and sounds quality.  Logic's instruments sound great!  But, Pro Tools is INDUSTRY STANDARD!  

Here's the questions you must ask yourself:

Do you want to do this for a job or career someday? Yes = Pro Tools

Do you want to make beats and experiment with a lot of different sounds?  Yes = Logic

Do you want to do both above questions? Yes = Buy Both.  There are plenty of producers out there that use Logic and import the tracks into Pro Tools for editing.  It's expensive, but worth it.

Which should you do first? Get Logic first and if you get really into it, top it off with Pro Tools.

-reply by chris almazan

[iGuest]

Not much to add, but...Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Most of what has already been said is true, as I have both programs.

I absolutely love the ease and intuitive nature of Logic Pro 8 vs. Pro Tools (Took me nearly two days of registering and activating crap-o-la for Pro Tools, and to find out not all of the "added bonus stuff" works.  BFD still wont work!)  The sounds in Logic are beautiful and to a trained ear, very close to being stellar compared to the Pro Tools stuff, which sounds very hard and bright, no warmth.

I really don't like the industry standard argument, because Logic can be used correctly to provide just as good if not better results than PT.  A lot of people have forgotten that not to long ago, when artists went in to record, there were no such things like this and had to be able to PERFORM the song flawlessly and REPEATEDLY until the right vibe, sound and take was captured.  Todays artists have become horribly lazy and the music today has suffered to no end.  There will never be another Beatles.  The greatest thing you can learn and instill into yourself is becoming as good a musician as you can be, learning how to make the programs work with you, not for you.  Use them as tools, not super glue and duct tape to fix bad vocals or crappy guitar parts.

Go, young musicians and artists, into the jungleland and prevail mighty and bold, conquering the world with new ideas, fresh bright and glorious!

-reply by johnerockstar

[iGuest]

T-pain said he mixes and edits in protools on an hd systemPro Tools Or Logic 8?

He said he exports all his logic tracks into protools for mixing and editing he uses a protools hd system.  He said it in an article I think he uses logic for the creative process and for some plugins. 

-reply by Fallan Soldier

[iGuest]

hey, so evidently Cubase is similar to logic, but runs on windows.  You can also check out Ableton Live, but try out the demo first.  It has a different feel, so your particular workflow style may not be complimented.. Good luck!

-reply by Eric Hahn

[iGuest]

Logic destroys Pro Tools PERIOD...End of story.  For $499 plus decent gear (interface $200-500, monitors $199-500, a mic $199-500 and headphones),  you could start making hit songs with stellar instruments, loops and plug-ins. So in essence, with $1500 max you are in business with everything Apple has to offer with no limitations or a watered down version of their software. 

However with Digi, a similiar setup is $1549 (Digi 003 without mic, monitors, etc) and you don't have a plethora of instruments nor plug-ins.  Also you are limited with 48 tracks which is fine if you only work at home.  But suppose you wanted to upgrade your system because your needs are growing?  To go PT HD1 it will run you between $7000 -$9000 for core card and interface.  This is no mole hill jump. 

With Logic, all you have to do is add more Ins/Outs via interfaces and you're good.  Or if you wanted to be safe in recording a live band, you could do what other professionals are doing and invest in a Alesis HD24 $1599 (or 2-3) to record 24 tracks and then import them into Logic. 

My point is that for $7000 you could get other high-end out-gear and become more versatile than spending $7000 for just a card, dvd (software) and interface.  That's just STUPID!  Unless you trying to become a commercial studio... Then you must be like "the Jones."

-reply by Naluvs

[iGuest]

Pro Tools or Logic 8Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

I Use pro tools for my needs. Logic is a great program and has many capabilities, and pro tools is also a great program and many capabilities. I personally think that if you are an artist and do nothing but recording over pre-made tracks then pro tools is a great program. Logic,garage band, cool edit pro, FL are great for instrument/midi tracks and things of that nature. Cubase is almost up there with the big boys with just a little more tweaks. Many would choose cubase over both pro tools and Logic simply because they know how to work with it. ANY program that you have you MUST DO YOUR HOMEWORK, there are programs out there that run $100.00 and people come out with radio quality music. If you do your homework on the program that you are working with you will learn to know that you can really get about the same quality with MANY programs than the guy next door with Pro Tools HD.

Pro Tools: Is what many in the industry use,NOT ALL but many, it can be a bit pricey but "You pay for what you get!"it has many effects for mixing and a rough mastering, Reason I say rough is because you really CANT master unless you have all the right equipment and that is way up the price charts!!

I love pro tools and regardless of what anyone says or has said it depends on how much you are willing to learn about it to get the quality you want.

SO DO YOUR HOMEWORK FOR EITHER Gift Colyer 

I have spent over $23,000.00 on equipment and software and I am talking with record labels right now. It all depends on how dedicated you are with it really.

-reply by Gift Colyer

[iGuest]

actually,Pro Tools Or Logic 8?

Actually, Logic also requires the purchase of hardware... The purchase of a mac.  A friggen big purchase.I paid $400 for my m-audio profire 610 interface and it runs pro tools m-powered.  Device is actually rather high qual and can record at 192hz, double what most others can do--- assuming you have software that can go that high.So far I'm very happy with Pro Tools 8 M-powered.  Only 250 bux, half the price of Logic.  Of course, pro tools 8 has the new midi edit capabilities, which was the only thing it wasn't previously strong in.The virtual instrument sounds, effect and filter sounds, and recording quality in pro tools are second to none for a DAW, which is why it is the industry standard.  Logic might be its equal in that regard, but not greater.  At this level, it really depends on the quality of work you put into it.  The pro tools virtual instruments have mostly flawless sound, I can say that.

-reply by Jeff

[networker]

As far as recording software goes, I use Krystal software and Audacity on
a windows xp operating system. All my recording is done 'live' and I don't use samples at all.
As far as editing and vst effects go, Krystal and Audacity are both quite functional.
Of course I've heard of pro tools, but you can't argue with the price of
the software I'm using.

As far as the mac goes, I've heard some amazing recordings done using
garageband, which the mac comes with.

I've learned, never trust an audio freak for what sounds good
fidelity wise. Instead,
ask the average person who just likes listening to music
rather than deciphering audio signals.

Edited by networker, 04 October 2009 - 01:26 PM.

[iGuest]

As a MIDI programmer when it was actually called, DCB, one thing I can tell you and that is, if live and breathe MIDI prgraming, than from what I have come to learn, MIDI is somthing that Pro Tools has not been big on in the past.

 With  that said, dedicated MIDI programs who help to pioneer MIDI both hardware as well as software knew what a MIDI programmer really needed. Companies like Mark of The Unicorn, Cake Walk, Cuebase were immersed in the development of MIDI techology. With that said here is what you must consider before deciding of a program of any kind.

(1) Are you heavily involved in MIDI gear?

(2) Do you play and write most of your musical instruments on a keyboard?

(3) Do you hear music in your head that is beyond your ability to play live?

If your answer is "yes" to just one of these, than you require a MIDI based program that also offers real audio tracks and not the other way around.

Today most programs offer decent to excellent audio recording capabilities with MIDI as an after thought. However Logic 8 by Apple is MIDI intensive and by no means is MIDI an after thought with Logic 8.

FYI. Way back in the mid 1980s, Apple was one of the very first to pioneer MIDI which was actually called DCB back then. Apple from that day forward continued to recognise the importance of interfacing digital musical instruments and with such being the case, Apple's Logic Studio 8 is their continued ongoing effort to meet the demands of the most demanding musical composer.

If money is no object and MIDI is not a big deal to you, than Pro Tools is your animal. After all, Pro Tools is the top choice in major recording studios for real time recording. Remember that MIDI programming your songs is really about personal time, as MIDI programing is truly time intensive.

Since professional recording studio time costs mega bucks per each hour,  pro studios in general are not a conducive place to MIDI program songs from scratch... That is... Unless you own the studio like I do.

It's for this very reason why Pro Tools did not focus on MIDI Programing as a primary feature of their software and hardware. However Pro Toolsfrom from what I have read is now starting to take MIDI a lot more serious.

Thus you do not want Pro Tools if you lean on MIDI to put your music scores together. Don't get me wrong... As I am sure that Pro Tools does a decent job in regards to MIDI. Just that there are a lot of very important MIDI programing features that Pro Tools can overlook that you will sooner or later wish you had, some of which I have outlined below. Simply said, Pro Tools strength is not MIDI.

List of some must haves for MIDI musicians seeking MIDI software.

(1) Horizontal MIDI zoom, ESPECIALLY vertical MIDI zoom. (this is a big one!)

(2) Drop down menu of a wealth of MIDI program options when right clicking on individual MIDI note in the MIDI edit window. Example: Attack, Sustain, Retain, Decay, After Touch, Patch, Pitch Bender, etc. You need all of these options to make the MIDI instrument of choice sound authentic.

(3) Drag mouse cursor over MIDI notes by hand to hear notes in that given window. This is huge! If pro Tools does not allow for this, than Pro Tools is a bust for the hard core MIDI programer.

(4) 256 Assignable MIDI tracks. As you know, MIDI only goes up to 16 channels/tracks. After that you must use letters to assign more MIDI tracks. EXAMPLE: MIDI A1-16,  MIDI B1-16, MIDI C1-16, MIDI D1-16, MIDI E1-16, etc. Thus if you have lots of MIDI gear like I do, than 16 tracks will not work for you. If you want to quick and easy mixing of percussion tracks, you can easily use 8 to 12 MIDI tracks just for percussion alone!

The lesson learned here is simple. If you use MIDI programing as the foundation to putting your music togther like I do, than you want a MIDI based program that also offers real audio tracks side by side.

Keep in mind that real audio tracks put a HUGE demand on computer speed, where as MIDI does not. So get the most powerful computer money can buy. (Apple is the only way to go when it comes to audio and video.) After all, Apple computers have been used year after year for the making and mastering the biggest block busters of all time and Apple computers are still Hollywoods choice for the motion picture industry.

Pro Tools is more about audio recording, rather than MIDI recording. If you plan on working with your projects in major studios, than you have no choice but to buy Pro Tools, however I would not recommend Pro Tools LE as it's a stripped down version of Pro Tools full version. No doubt the MIDI side of Pro Tools LE will be stripped down as well and that is a big No-NO for MIDI based musicians.

For more information you will find me via YouTube user, LogicStudioMadness.

Best wish on your next MIDI score!

Cheers,

Midiman