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[adriantc]

Are you for or against cloning?

I will start by telling you that I am for cloning. Why? It can save many human lives, bring back extinct species and maybe put an end to many of mankind's problems (see world hunger). Of course it can create many more, some of them could seem SF.
Well I see cloning like the nuclear bomb. At first it could and it will probably be an weapon (see hiroshima and nagasaki ... off-topic: two months ago, before the american elections someone intervied a lady in Ney York and they asked her why she will vote for Bush. She sad "because it is good to know he can drop the nuclear bomb again to protect america". Well that kind of thinking seems very, very, very stupid to my but i am not an american citizen so... ) but if that won't wipe us out from the surface of the earth cloning will be the future. Remember that we where near (30 min near) full nuclear war in the '60. But we lived and now the nuclear bomb is still a threat but it's the same technology that gives us energy and maybe one day take us to the stars.

So I ask you once again are you for or are you against cloning?



I have one more question for you...
It has been a documentary on Discovery Channel regarding the cloning of the tasmanian tiger (for the ones who haven't seen it you should see it). Did they do any more progress other then what thay showed on TV?

[burgen]

by cloning you mean species cloning. I am a biochemist and in our terms cloning is a process which we simply copy a piece of DNA or gene by PCR, and we do it everyday. So make sure next time you say cloning you add species before it.
as for your question, techniquely now people can clone any species, but the method/process of cloning determines that it will not be the same as natural born. and there may be very significant problems, which we can not find out or predict. the sheep dorley, the first cloned animal, died very early in its age and people don't know why. To protect species, I don't know, I am not knowledgable enough to answer the question, but I think by cloning the species will not be the same any more. and if the species is in extinction, that means it can not adjust and accostumize to the environment and it will be replaced by new species, that is the natural rule. However, there are so much environmental changes caused by people today, and a lot of species extinct because of it, so I am not sure what should we do. I suggest we start from protecting the environment first, reduce polution, stop digging oil (that is the origin of almost all the polutions) and use electricity to drive cars.

[adriantc]

You know that the tasmanian tiger is extinct because of men hunting it to extinction in just 30 years.
And even if it is the natural law for unadapted species to became extinct we are only human. The same natural law whould tell us to kill the men which are not fit for reproduction like invalids...but we are human, we like to belive that we are over (better) than the natural law.

[ill]

Even if many animals are now extinct because of man, isn't this still the "natural rule" as you put it? Survival of the fittest or some sort?

I don't know where I am on cloning, however anything that can cure cancer, diabetes or anything could be very great to our society. Sometimes we have to fail. However, ethics come along into it, which is where we get our minds rattled. And it's also where I quit talking because I have a headache right now.

[s243a]

I don’t really know how much cloning will help enhance our lives. I think genetic engineering has much more prose in terms of the benefits to society. Unfortunately, the question of who regulates genetic engineering could be very difficult.

[burgen]

s243a, on Feb 1 2005, 12:50 AM, said:

I don’t really know how much cloning will help enhance our lives. I think genetic engineering has much more prose in terms of the benefits to society. Unfortunately, the question of who regulates genetic engineering could be very difficult.

genetic engineering is happening now, almost every gene in human has been cloned and half of them are studied in detail. hunderds of genes have been knocked out of mouse one by one to see the effects. Many of the drugs in hospital (not drug store) are the products of genetic engineering. more and more plants are engineered plants now, corn, rice, tomato, even chicken, pork, beef.
It is everywhere.
again about cloning a species like tiger, it is not the same tiger when you cloned it. it is more important for us to stop the abuse of environment by human.
It is not natural rule when human power are involved. in fact because of the technology human now have many natural rule are not applied to human any more. human now does not evolve any more.
To protect extincting species, protect the surviving environment is the only way. Cloning is not the way to do it.
Just as you know, there are numerous new species emerging now everyday, but most of them are viruses, bacteria, parasites, due to the change of environment.

[mahesh2k]

well it depends on the human if it is eveil dont make clones if it is good one make clone out of it
that is theme of films but i do not agree

[alexwhin]

no i love cloaning infact if there was another one of me the world would be a better place! lol! na really i like cloaning ( aka sneaking around gods back)

[s243a]

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It is everywhere.
again about cloning a species like tiger, it is not the same tiger when you cloned it. it is more important for us to stop the abuse of environment by human.

That’s right it is a brand new shiny tiger. As far as I am concerned the environment is for people to do with it what they want. As long as future generations have a good quality of life that is what is important. They can see tigers in zoos. As for bring back estinct anamils that would be cool. So what if it is not the same tiger it is a brand spanking new one .

[iwuvcookies]

I'm not against cloning at all. I'm against cloning humans but my idea my change later on. Cloning has so many benefits like stem cell research and stuff like that. I'm pretty sure someone already mentioned it up there. Yes.... With cloning you can advance toward the future. Some people would like to acutally move on and not stay in the past.

[cse-icons]

hi friends,

Cloning is a scientific devleopment. As it is for any scientific devlopment has its positives and drawbacks.
True that cloning wud save lives, bring back extinct species....
but think what disasters it cud bring if it become easy to clone humans. u cud have a hair and not know that u clone has been created from ur hair dna(as far as i understand that wud work). moreover it wud create imbalances in nature due to the intervention in the process.

what i wud like to say is that cloning could be used in certain extreme cases but wud not be so sure about human cloning per se. Everything if put to proper use is a boon whereas in wrong hands it is a bane... so b4 anything we need to make sure that it is not used to harm anyone.

Cheers.

[Bullseye]

As long as it is not conflicting whit nature ....... well ok.
But I can't say that I am totaly clone pro or against it.
It would be easy to have a clone of my wife in the closet ..... that way if she gets mad i'll just change them
Good thing she isn;t here to read this
Anyway I say don't clone to much.

[krap]

Bullseye, on Feb 2 2005, 02:13 PM, said:

It would be easy to have a clone of my wife in the closet ..... that way if she gets mad i'll just change them     
Good thing she isn;t here to read this 
Anyway I say don't clone to much.

lol that would be cool.

i think cloning to bring back extinct animals would be cool but what would be the point of bringing back the mammoth?

it's not adapted to live in our climate anyway. thats why it was extinct. it would be really cool if they brought back dinasours

[rejected]

I am for cloning, we could progress so much, and as adriantc said, it could help bring back endangered species, we could have so many technological advances, people could open up shops where if your pet died, you could have it cloned, there are hundreds of possiblities with cloning, even if it is on humans.

[dontmaimyourself]

Well that is purely dependant on the type of cloning I mean if your cloning for the sake of cloning, or to replace a child or pet or something then I dont agree with that also a problem with that is if your cloning a person they will only look the same they will not be the same person and will think and act differently.

But on the other hand if it is theraputic cloning that is cloning an embryo but in order to clone new body parts for terminally ill people then yeah Im all for that , anything that saves lives is a good thing in my book.

[ashiezai]

im against cloning .. i think that it's kinda weird.. it's like making something that shouldnt be made ... why would the scientist clone something .. basically if u clone a man .. the cloned one wouldnt be the same as the one being cloned... atleast their thinking

[Xedos]

I wouldn't mind cloning if it was used to save lives. In extreamly cases such as a extreamly rare blood type you could clone the person with blood loss and another blood type to generate some more X type blood. I don't know if it will work. Just a loose example.

If cloning were to get into the hands of evil (Zurg... Mr. Burns) they would use it to create decoys of themselfs and people like Mr. Burns could go into hiding. However he also has 30 clones in hiding. As he loses one clone, he created another. This is just another loose example... with cartoon people.

[s243a]

Wired Cloning examples. Imaging the pressure a kid would face if he was told he was Albert Einstein’s clone. Imagine how much a kid would get beat up if he was hitters clone? Some kids (not me) have trouble living up to their parents expectations. Imagine if you were expected to become someone famous just because you had the same Jeans. On the other side of the cloning, if the kid didn’t live up to it the parents could not blame genetics. Who would they blame. Themselves, the neighbors kids. Or would the respect that the clone is a unique individual free to make his/her own choices in life. Remember if identical twins are not identical.

[spiderink]

I am against human and animal cloning because of the soul/spirit thing. Would a manmade 'human' have a mind, soul, concience? Or would it be just like an animal? And the first 'experimental' clones could turn out unimaginably wrong too. (The first few would almost definitely turn out somewhat wrong.)

And what Xedos is talking about (if it ever became possible) is incredibly inhumane. Can you imagine being told you were created only to be killed for your organs? Or a future where there are 'factories' filled with clones in stasis ready to be harvested for organs? There are tons of science fiction stories about it, and how it goes horribly wrong. Better and safer to simply clone the organ alone. (organ/tissue/blood cloning, I will support if it doesn't have side-effects) And if you used the same person's DNA, you might even make the chance of rejection non-existent.

[darkmeca]

well that is the reason why scientists are tryig to find ways to clone organs with out having to clone a whole human because that would be alot more costly... well i dont think the soul/spirit really would matter i mean they would have been cloned and will be incubated almost as every other human it would just be artificial, so im guessing the 'quality' if i may speak so crudley would be decreased from a person born naturally. cloning is a big issue but cloning an organ i would have to approve with because many ppl need it but where does the line end thats another question.

[HoRuS]

Cloning is invented for the better good for mankind. Just like many other inventions like nuclear power was invented for creating large mounts of energy to use for propulsion, household and so on but I'm seriously affraid that many governments will use it for their destructive purposes.
Cloning means a cheap army of expendible humans to blend to their needs if a war breaks out.
I hope that it will not come this far and that people only will use it to fight hunger and deseases, cuz they will use it no matter what we say

Peace

[CyBoy]

I'm agains the cloning people because I can't imagine that some day on this world be another me (bad copy), but cloning organs can help this nation, if the cloning people continous soon we can expect war because american govermant will make huge army.......

[mzwebfreak]

The one main thing I see wrong with species cloning, specifically human cloning, is what is the answer to a quality of life issue? When a person is cloned, are they a human being with all the rights and priviledges therein contained? or are they simply biological matter to be used as seen fit? I think that, at least where human cloning is concerned, there's a big ethics issue right at the heart of the whole thing from where you get the stem cells to clone to what you do with them once they are cloned. As to animals, yes, I think it might be a good thing, but, as some have already mentioned, it can also be a double edged sword in the wrong hands.

[HoRuS]

Cloning animals isn't good, because they have a concious(!) as well as human beings.
Cloning organs is ok, I think it will benefit people when there are donor organs, but without it coming from animals or dead humans.
When the subject has a concious(!) or somekind of emotion/awareness I think it's really unethical to just use it for own purposes.
As for cloning humans omg, I really don't like the idea about the cloning-technology falling into the wrong hands, esspecially the ministery of Defence people's hands...

Peace

(sorry for my porr English )

[clemen]

adriantc, on Jan 31 2005, 04:28 PM, said:

Are you for or against cloning?

I will start by telling you that I am for cloning. Why? It can save many human lives, bring back extinct species and maybe put an end to many of mankind's problems (see world hunger). Of course it can create many more, some of them could seem SF.
Well I see cloning like the nuclear bomb. At first it could and it will probably be an weapon (see hiroshima and nagasaki ... off-topic: two months ago, before the american elections someone intervied a lady in Ney York and they asked her why she will vote for Bush. She sad "because it is good to know he can drop the nuclear bomb again to protect america". Well that kind of thinking seems very, very, very stupid to my but i am not an american citizen so... ) but if that won't wipe us out from the surface of the earth cloning will be the future. Remember that we where near (30 min near) full nuclear war in the '60. But we lived and now the nuclear bomb is still a threat but it's the same technology that gives us energy and maybe one day take us to the stars.

So I ask you once again are you for or are you against cloning?
I have one more question for you...
It has been a documentary on Discovery Channel regarding the cloning of the tasmanian tiger (for the ones who haven't seen it you should see it). Did they do any more progress other then what thay showed on TV?

it depends. if the intentions are good then why not. but if it's somewhat evil, then it should be trashed. and definitely against human and dinosaur cloning.