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[Alex Cicala]

History:

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Atheism comes from the Greek word (aethos) which was applied in ancient times to anyone who was thought to believe in false gods, or doctrines that conflicted with current established religions/beliefs.

The first people to self-identify as themselves as "atheist" appeared in the 18th century.

Today, about 2.3 percent of the world's population describes itself as atheist, while a further 11.9 percent is described as nontheist. Up to 65 percent of Japanese describe themselves as atheists, agnostics, or non-believers; up to 48 percent in Russia; and between six and 85 percent within the European Union.

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My Views:

As an atheist myself, I don't believe in any religions or such nonsense. I believe in science, but none of that Scientology stuff.
I believe that Life as we see today was brought on by evolution, and that the planets and galaxies are remnants of what happened many years ago, As most studies would already state.

Although I can consider that some religions like some forms of Buddhism are, lets say "aethiest", because they don't believe in any such god. Atheism is to not believe in sorts of religion, although just too accept that people do believe in them.

There are many forms of Atheism as well, like the type of Atheism where you don't even care one bit about religion or belief and just carry on in life. Then there is the one, which I class myself as, that is in the middle where you understand about religion and you know about science.

Then you can be into Strong Aethiesm where you argue about how all religion is utter rubbish and point out the weak spots in the religions, eventually breaking them down.

My final point which will reinforce my topic sentence, is that I find that Atheism is not classed as a religion, but is the category of people who do not believe in a constant understanding of a god. And that an atheist is just someone who has knowledge of religion but does not follow it.

Please post your views...

Edited by moderator, 21 May 2012 - 09:16 AM.

[rayzoredge]

Want the easy, short and sweet answer?

A religion is defined as a set of beliefs. Therefore, atheism is a religion.

Lazy link for a definition of religion

I actually remember bringing this up in another thread on Trap17... can't remember which one, exactly, but I'm sure you could find a more detailed explanation there. I would go find it now, but I'm being lazy at the moment.

[frozen.fish]

Amen to that! Religion can be whatever you believe in..

Yet in the end, we have only one creator and he is waiting with arms wide open for whatever "evil" you did here..

[anwiii]

although a religion can be defined as any one strong belief, i believe that when talking about any higher power, most if not all religions have rules set in within the religion. in that sense, i don't believe atheism could be considered a religion or even a strong belief for that matter

rayzoredge, on Apr 6 2009, 06:22 AM, said:

Want the easy, short and sweet answer?

A religion is defined as a set of beliefs. Therefore, atheism is a religion.

Lazy link for a definition of religion

I actually remember bringing this up in another thread on Trap17... can't remember which one, exactly, but I'm sure you could find a more detailed explanation there. I would go find it now, but I'm being lazy at the moment.

[truefusion]

anwiii, on May 30 2009, 09:01 PM, said:

although a religion can be defined as any one strong belief, i believe that when talking about any higher power, most if not all religions have rules set in within the religion. in that sense, i don't believe atheism could be considered a religion or even a strong belief for that matter

In that sense, one can say that religion itself would not be considered a strong belief too, for one need not believe in a rule in order to follow or obey it. Nevertheless, the definition emphasized by rayzoredge did not include "strong" but "a set of," which means there are other senses to consider. But if an atheist has one belief that differs from another atheist, that is not a problem. Just do what people have done with other religions: place them in sects or denominations. The easiest to separate, however, i would say is Buddhism, or at least what first comes to mind.

[anwiii]

do you follow me around just to prove me wrong? get a life if that's the case. have you ever heard the expression that someone studies or does something religiously? "strong" is embedded and assumed in the word "religion". now i didn't make that up so you go point outdated logic to the people who did. so i do believe religion is a belief....but if it was just a belief, it we wouldn't need to call it religion. so yes....STRONG belief, usually with rules to the belief(which would normally make that belief stronger). now i say rules, because religions are based on faith, not fact for the most part when taking about any higher power....so the faithfull need those rules as a guide when they aren't basing their lives on fact or even the logic based on fact to believe in even a theory. spirituality could be considered a religion except that it's not based on a group of people. just one. cults don't have a big enough following or (believers) to support their belief as a religion.

now get off my back and stop twisting my words to suit YOU. you know exactly what i was saying. and you never ever talk about what you believe your own self. you just like to discredit others.

in the end, anyone can make up a definition or even look a definition up and believe in that one definition. to each their own. so your logic to discredit someone elses belief right now is a mute point on your point buddy.

also, aren't you a christian? how is a christian supposed to understand a true atheist point of view? also visa versa. let's examine though where the ward originally came from and who defined that word and who this person was who originally defined this word. was this person a non believer or was it a believer who wanted to further seperate the human race by a label. even in YOUR post you are talking about seperation. why i am not an atheist or even religious. there is something to be gained from everything. not just one set of beliefs...wether religious in nature or not

***poof***

truefusion, on May 30 2009, 10:17 PM, said:

In that sense, one can say that religion itself would not be considered a strong belief too, for one need not believe in a rule in order to follow or obey it. Nevertheless, the definition emphasized by rayzoredge did not include "strong" but "a set of," which means there are other senses to consider. But if an atheist has one belief that differs from another atheist, that is not a problem. Just do what people have done with other religions: place them in sects or denominations. The easiest to separate, however, i would say is Buddhism, or at least what first comes to mind.

[truefusion]

anwiii, on May 31 2009, 04:07 PM, said:

do you follow me around just to prove me wrong?

If that were the case, i would be responding to you in every topic you post in. You just so happened to post in a topic that it could be expected from me to keep an eye on.

anwiii, on May 31 2009, 04:07 PM, said:

in the end, anyone can make up a definition or even look a definition up and believe in that one definition. to each their own. so your logic to discredit someone elses belief right now is a mute point on your point buddy.

This i don't see as a problem, since this applies to anyone suggesting a definition. Meaning even the term "religion" is futile to bring up even for Christianity and religions with their own rules and gods (or without gods), which in turn means there's no such thing as a "religion."

anwiii, on May 31 2009, 04:07 PM, said:

how is a christian supposed to understand a true atheist point of view? also visa versa.

An Atheist converting into a Christian and vice versa. In other cases, they could just tell each other in the simplest terms what their stance is and run off of that. I'm always being told (though i don't have to be, since i understand it) the "I go one God further than you" statement. (Note, i excluded the remainder of your argument because of the quote above this one.)

[IamAg]

Whoever edited that Wikipedia post you quoted there is wrong the true definition or meaning is

" atheism is the lack of beleif in gods, or the lack of theism "

Also , it is described as a relgion because a religion is basiccaly

"the constant, or mutual belief amongst people"

[anwiii]

blah blah blah- where's your personal beliefs without all your arguing??? do you ever have a personal opinion about anything or do you need someone to post FIRST before you can argue someone elses post

truefusion, on Jun 1 2009, 01:59 AM, said:

If that were the case, i would be responding to you in every topic you post in. You just so happened to post in a topic that it could be expected from me to keep an eye on.


This i don't see as a problem, since this applies to anyone suggesting a definition. Meaning even the term "religion" is futile to bring up even for Christianity and religions with their own rules and gods (or without gods), which in turn means there's no such thing as a "religion."


An Atheist converting into a Christian and vice versa. In other cases, they could just tell each other in the simplest terms what their stance is and run off of that. I'm always being told (though i don't have to be, since i understand it) the "I go one God further than you" statement. (Note, i excluded the remainder of your argument because of the quote above this one.)

[nirmaldaniel]

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As an atheist myself, I don't believe in any religions or such nonsense

My friend please remember one thing, being and Atheist is fun .. may be from your side. As long as everything goes right you may feel that beliving in God is not necessary. But when something goes terribly wrong then that is the time when you are gonna look back at the words which have used.

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Nonsense

On the other hand i just want to tell you something. Look what is a religion ? Who created it ? Did God Create Religion ? Nooo is the answer. Look Christianity is NOT A RELIGION. It is a relationship between the individual and the Lord God Almighty. Because of some one is gonna be born in a Chistian Family he is not a Christian. When every one is born he/she is born as a sinner. Its the relationship between the individual and God which really matters. Many often I because of my failures fail in this relationship with God. It is his unfailing mercy and Love which restores this relationship. For when we fall his mercy is there to pick up up.

So the answer is A|theism is not a religion and i would personnel y request you to put you to come out of that.