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[Nameless_]

Hi guys... I think it's time for another questions from me... again...

So, as you may or may not know, I have created a free hosting account (absolutely free with no post counts) to see what everything is like, and maybe it I like that hosting company a lot I might stay there, though I will be using the myCENTS here to host my domain name... So, that webhosting company has emailed me the link to my cPanel, and after following the start wizard on cPanel, I followed the prompt instructions and went back to home...

And then I'm lost...

There's so many files so many folders, mails and stuff, I really don't know how to do everything... First questions first... How do you upload web pages??? Because They were like, you have to have a FTP account and you have to make one somewhere, but I don't know where, and even if I know how to upload static files and pages I will still need to learn how to upload the wordpress folder up there, and how to then change it into a community (that comes later), but I need to make sure that everything works and that I WILL be able to change the blog so that it still does the archiving function AND let people into my site so I can make a community that:

1) Lets people join in forums... this is a must if I am to want a community. Forum is first priority - it enables discussions and all that.

2) Lets people post under their name on approved articles??? I don't know how to do that, or even whether it is possible, but it's be nice, so I don't have to post it up myself under my name and say that this article is actually written my someone else

3) Lets people that joined have their own profile page and hopefully a blog??? I think that that will then widen the content generation so people will blog for me (on their profiles, of course), and I can hold competitions and the best article can go on the main website...

4) Um... hopefully having a merchandise area or an affiliate shop so people can buy my niche stuff off from me or from affiliate shops like Amazon???

That's all for now, I don't want to get too greedy, but if possible I would also like to ditch the traditional blogging templates and come up with one that doesn't look like a blog but actually IS a blog...

So the archives will on on the menu and not on the sidebar, and the side bar will be small and contain only ads and links...

And yeah.

But first things first...

What is a cPanel and how do I use it?

[truefusion]

CPanel is a utility used by web hosting companies to ease the process of managing accounts. The FTP account for your account should have already been created with the same username and password that you used to log into CPanel. If you do not already have one, you can create one under "FTP Accounts." Any file you want to be publicly accessible you place within the directory "public_html". You can upload files there using either a FTP program or by using the file manager that comes with CPanel. It is recommended that you use a FTP program to upload files, though.

To install scripts that are dependent on a database, specifically MySQL, you would have to first make a user for the database if one is not already existing and provide the needed permissions to that user. You should take note of the user's password, as it will be asked of you when installing WordPress. You'll also have to create a database for WordPress. You should be able to see a image labeled "MySQL Databases" under the "Databases" section—you create the databases here.

While CPanel may at first look intimidating, things are pretty straight forward and you will most likely not need to make use of most of what you see in there.

[Nameless_]

OK... so I think I've got a FTP account then... though I don't really know how to check whether I've got one or not... I don't think I've got a SQL Database account though... shouldn't everything just come together? Why are there so many different accounts that you have to sign up with???

OK then.. so anyway... how to I get a FTP uploader program? Can I just download it from the internet? And are there any recommendations?

The weird thing though is, I don't at the least feel turned off by this cPanel's complexity or anything... it just feels like I've got an adventure coming and I'm ready to learn everything... I mean, if I can learn to set up my local webserver by myself, then why can't I conquer the cPanel???

Must be the support of this forum's members... Or I'd give up ages ago... but anyway.

So I need to find a FTP program so that I can upload my sites onto the webserver... on the cPanel Platform, that is... so, what you you people use? And also, because you have to upload it up, I am assuming that you have to work on it off line first before you put it up? So that's where programs like Dreamweaver and Aptana and Frontpage come in... Ah... OK.

But I don't really think I need that because I'll be using the Wordpress platform. But I need it to be customisable so it allows people to log in and stuff... Is this possible or do I have to approach in in a different angle /approach? Because I don't want to be blogging and when I get enough traffic and visitors find out that wordpress is not customisable and I have to start everything all over again so I can put in a community.

Any help on that as well?

[TheDisturbedOne]

You can download FTP programs online. I use WinSCP, but I know filezilla is a popular one. After you open it up, type in ftp.[yoursite's url] as the address, and enter your FTP (same as your cPanel) username and password.

Wordpress comes default with the member's option to login as far as I know. You have to setup the MySQL database though, which is done in cPanel.

[truefusion]

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

So I need to find a FTP program so that I can upload my sites onto the webserver... on the cPanel Platform, that is... so, what you you people use? And also, because you have to upload it up, I am assuming that you have to work on it off line first before you put it up? So that's where programs like Dreamweaver and Aptana and Frontpage come in... Ah... OK.

The file manager that comes with CPanel allows you to edit files, but it is practically impractical editing files through CPanel. Having files stored on your computer is the better way of going about it. You could use WYSIWYGs for editing files; however, if you're going to be editing WordPress files, like templates, et cetera, WYSIWYG programs may not be the best programs for such tasks.

I use Filezilla for my FTP needs. The host information required by the FTP program may differ from host to host, so you may need to consult with your web host.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 05:42 PM, said:

But I don't really think I need that because I'll be using the Wordpress platform. But I need it to be customisable so it allows people to log in and stuff... Is this possible or do I have to approach in in a different angle /approach? Because I don't want to be blogging and when I get enough traffic and visitors find out that wordpress is not customisable and I have to start everything all over again so I can put in a community.

WordPress itself is customizable, but you'll need to know of its structure and PHP. Allowing other users to register to your WordPress installation is wholly dependent on you and your WordPress settings. If you have already installed and tested out a WordPress installation on your computer, then you should already know how to at least edit your WordPress settings or navigate the WordPress admin control panel.

[mahesh2k]

In case if i'm not following discussion, please excuse. I think for usage of cpanel you can read this wiki page. Also as you're working with FTP on cpanel this tutorial is very handy for you. There are plenty of freeware FTP program if you want to use desktop application instead of webftp that is provided by cpanel. Try Filezilla.

Also the wordpress in most of the cpanel is likely to be old version if you're using fantastico. If you're using newer version of wordpress then you can install themes online if you're selecting it from wordpress repository. Also if you've wordpress directory writable mode done by your webhost then you can edit the themes from within wordpress dashboard interface. Also new version upgrades are also possible from within wordpress dashboard.

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But I don't really think I need that because I'll be using the Wordpress platform. But I need it to be customisable so it allows people to log in and stuff... Is this possible or do I have to approach in in a different angle /approach?

Do you want to form community by allowing people to log on post article/comment stuff ? and have their own profile ? In that case, instead of wordpress you've to use Buddypress or dolphin or community server software. You're just moving from your blogging requirement to community blog/forum software requirement. So i suggest better download buddypress. And if your requirement is simply allowing multiple users to blog then wordpress-mu, wordpress multi-user software is your only option. Again these two softwares are not having auto-install script so you're on your own. You've to download and install it, set database etc on your own. and i doubt if any free webhost helps with such installation cause they're not part of their offering. Still you can post of forums on their site or here to get instruction about installation and other stuff.

[rvalkass]

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

There's so many files so many folders, mails and stuff, I really don't know how to do everything... First questions first... How do you upload web pages??? Because They were like, you have to have a FTP account and you have to make one somewhere, but I don't know where, and even if I know how to upload static files and pages I will still need to learn how to upload the wordpress folder up there

When you signed up with your hosting you should have been given an FTP username and password, along with the server address. If not, check the help section of the hosting provider's site for the details. The username and password are usually the same as your cPanel username and password. You'll then need an FTP client to upload files with. FileZilla is probably the most popular. Click the Download FileZilla Client button, then choose the Windows installer if you're on Windows (the file ending with .exe). Download it and save it somewhere on your PC, then run it to install FileZilla.

At the top there are 4 boxed labelled Host, Username, Password and Port. Fill in Host, Username and Password with the details from your hosting provider (leave the port one blank), and click Quickconnect. In the two main panels in the middle are the files stored on your computer (shown on the left) and the files stored on your web hosting (shown on the right). Navigate through the folders on each side and drag and drop files between the two panels to transfer files. So, to upload your site use the left panel to find where it is stored on your computer. Then use the right hand panel to open the public_html or www folder on your hosting. Drag the files from the left panel to the right panel and the transfer will start. You can also drag whole folders too.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

and how to then change it into a community (that comes later), but I need to make sure that everything works and that I WILL be able to change the blog so that it still does the archiving function AND let people into my site so I can make a community that:

1) Lets people join in forums... this is a must if I am to want a community. Forum is first priority - it enables discussions and all that.

Wordpress, as far as I know, doesn't have a way to add an integrated forum. So, your forum would be a separate part of the site, would look different, and people would need to use a separate login to get onto the forums (unless you code them to share log in details). Popular forums include phpBB, AEF and SMF.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

2) Lets people post under their name on approved articles??? I don't know how to do that, or even whether it is possible, but it's be nice, so I don't have to post it up myself under my name and say that this article is actually written my someone else

You can use Wordpress's permissions to achieve this. You can set it up so people can make posts when they make an account, and they will appear instantly, or you can set it so that they get added to your 'moderation queue'. and you have to approve each post before it appears on the site. It still appears under their username, but gives you the control to stop spammers etc.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

3) Lets people that joined have their own profile page and hopefully a blog??? I think that that will then widen the content generation so people will blog for me (on their profiles, of course), and I can hold competitions and the best article can go on the main website...

I can't remember if the profile pages are possible in Wordpress, but there is probably a modification out there that will add them. Creating separate blogs is more tricky. You would be able to separate out posts with tags and things, but they would still all appear as part of the same blog.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

4) Um... hopefully having a merchandise area or an affiliate shop so people can buy my niche stuff off from me or from affiliate shops like Amazon???

I think there are Wordpress extensions that cover this. Once you have Wordpress up and running there is a section to install extra extensions - search through there and see if you can find one that accomplishes this for you.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

That's all for now, I don't want to get too greedy, but if possible I would also like to ditch the traditional blogging templates and come up with one that doesn't look like a blog but actually IS a blog...
So the archives will on on the menu and not on the sidebar, and the side bar will be small and contain only ads and links...
And yeah.

If I'm honest, for what you want to achieve, Wordpress is not the ideal solution. Something like Drupal is a much better solution. Drupal contains a forum built in, user profile pages, individual user blogs, and the ability to promote individual posts to the front page to make the best ones part of the main site. It also doesn't look like a Wordpress blog, and has a wide selection of themes and plugins to make it do what you want. Certainly take a look at it if you are serious about making your site something more than just a simple blog.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

What is a cPanel and how do I use it?

cPanel is your control panel for your web hosting, allowing you to manage all your settings and controls. cPanel contains pretty good help, and even include video tutorials and walkthroughs for the most common tasks now, so try those if you need some help getting to grips with it.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:42 PM, said:

OK... so I think I've got a FTP account then... though I don't really know how to check whether I've got one or not... I don't think I've got a SQL Database account though... shouldn't everything just come together? Why are there so many different accounts that you have to sign up with???

You should have the details for your FTP account if you have one. If you weren't given them then your username and password should be the same as your cPanel username and password, and you should be able to get the FTP host address from your hosting provider.

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

The weird thing though is, I don't at the least feel turned off by this cPanel's complexity or anything... it just feels like I've got an adventure coming and I'm ready to learn everything... I mean, if I can learn to set up my local webserver by myself, then why can't I conquer the cPanel???

That's the right attitude See it as an adventure, and don't be worried if it take time to learn or something goes wrong. We're all here to help, and remember that if things do go drastically wrong, it is usually possible to recover from them!

Nameless_, on Sep 22 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

But I don't really think I need that because I'll be using the Wordpress platform. But I need it to be customisable so it allows people to log in and stuff... Is this possible or do I have to approach in in a different angle /approach? Because I don't want to be blogging and when I get enough traffic and visitors find out that wordpress is not customisable and I have to start everything all over again so I can put in a community.

Any help on that as well?

Like I mentioned above, Wordpress is generally used for running one individual blog, with user interaction via comments on posts. It is possible to add extra editors to your blog, but you will all be posting to the same blog at the same time, rather than to individual blogs as you suggested you'd like. Also, as far as I know, Wordpress doesn't have any way to incorporate a forum, so adding one would require people to have a separate login and it would look different from the rest of the site. Drupal is a better bet if you want to build a community around your site, and is more versatile than Wordpress if you want more than just a blog.

[mahesh2k]

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Wordpress, as far as I know, doesn't have a way to add an integrated forum. So, your forum would be a separate part of the site, would look different, and people would need to use a separate login to get onto the forums (unless you code them to share log in details). Popular forums include phpBB, AEF and SMF.

Wordpress has its own forum software called BBPress. It is small and not suitable for large community. It is perfect for small store or software support system to answer questions and to post updates and FAQ. BBPress integrates well with current 2.8 version of Wordpress, earlier few plugins were there. But now no need for 3rd part plugin. And yes you're right. SMF,PhpBB have extentions that integrates wordpress with forum.

[The Simpleton]

Drupal seems to be quite popular around here - I was thinking of designing my site around it as well. I don't have plans for a very large community but Drupal does seem to offer what I have in mind.

@Namelesss_: I hope your doubts abotu cPanel have been cleared by the above useful posts - one small piece of advice - although you can use cPanel for uploading files, stick with FTP transfer only as it's more convenient to use than through cPanel.

[TheDisturbedOne]

The only drawback that I found with Drupal is the amount of work you have to go through to install plug-ins. Most plug-ins require at least one other plug-in for it to work.

[manish-mohania]

TheDisturbedOne, on Sep 24 2009, 02:00 AM, said:

The only drawback that I found with Drupal is the amount of work you have to go through to install plug-ins. Most plug-ins require at least one other plug-in for it to work.

yes, It is true that most plug-ins require at least one other plug-in(dependency) for it to work.
However,
1) It is very easy to find a plugin for Drupal and you have got choice to choose from many plugins that best suits your needs.
2) usually you will find a link to depency plugin to install, when you install a plugin from a particular site.
3) It is easy to install plugin, one just have to unzip a plugin file in a particular folder and enable the module from the module administration page.

Having said that, there are many common plugins pre-installed with Drupal like, blog and forum.
Also, should you want to sell content/stuff there is ubercart plugin to sell items online via several payment methods.

rvalkass said:

Drupal contains a forum built in, user profile pages, individual user blogs, and the ability to promote individual posts to the front page to make the best ones part of the main site

rvalkass said:

Wordpress, as far as I know, doesn't have a way to add an integrated forum. So, your forum would be a separate part of the site, would look different, and people would need to use a separate login to get onto the forums (unless you code them to share log in details).

Drupal allows same user/pass to use with blog and forum.

[Nameless_]

OK... great. So it's DRUPAL that I need, not Wordpress.... OK, yeah, and I agree... you have to download a plug-in for everything in Drupal, but I suppose it IS much better than Wordpress if you want more than just static web pages and an actual CMS with database and all that... OK then, now I'll need to learn how to install Drupal and get a hand on everything before I start. Does anyone know how to install the Drupal blogging / more than blogging website platform onto my local webserver. This is actually quite good, because it enables me to compare the to for future reference, though I am absoutely sure now that Drupal is for me, and not Wordpress... I'm glad that I figured this out early though... it's be hard to change from Wordpress to Drupal after a few months or years of blogging...

Now I just need to work out how to use Drupal and install it onto my local webserver for testing. Thanks to you guys so much!!!

[mahesh2k]

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OK... great. So it's DRUPAL that I need, not Wordpress.... OK, yeah, and I agree... you have to download a plug-in for everything in Drupal, but I suppose it IS much better than Wordpress if you want more than just static web pages and an actual CMS with database and all that... smile.gif OK then, now I'll need to learn how to install Drupal and get a hand on everything before I start.

And what made you think that wordpress is for static pages ? Wordpress is also same as drupal. It's just that some people are not comfortable to integrate forum with it. Though you can integrate SMF, PhpBB and IPB with wordpress. Officially there are MODS that integrate SMF/Phpbb to wordpress. I think you made wrong assumption that wordpress is not for community sites. In fact i can show you there are plenty of community websites which are running wordpress. Wordpress and CMS both are CMS so if you think Drupal is free from hassle of database and other stuff which you don't like in wordpress then you'll be surprised. You'll find drupal much hard in comparison to wordpress. Try comparing theme creation in wordpress and drupal, you'll get one more surprise on simplicity. Only advantage with drupal here is there are forum integration plugins are available for Drupal easily. Wordpress do have it's own forum software BBpress which you can integrate.

Anyway, i just made few things clear to you. So that you don't choose drupal or any other software in some assumption. There should be clear observation, so i posted this.

[Nameless_]

mahesh2k, on Sep 26 2009, 02:48 PM, said:

And what made you think that wordpress is for static pages ? Wordpress is also same as drupal. It's just that some people are not comfortable to integrate forum with it. Though you can integrate SMF, PhpBB and IPB with wordpress. Officially there are MODS that integrate SMF/Phpbb to wordpress. I think you made wrong assumption that wordpress is not for community sites. In fact i can show you there are plenty of community websites which are running wordpress. Wordpress and CMS both are CMS so if you think Drupal is free from hassle of database and other stuff which you don't like in wordpress then you'll be surprised. You'll find drupal much hard in comparison to wordpress. Try comparing theme creation in wordpress and drupal, you'll get one more surprise on simplicity. Only advantage with drupal here is there are forum integration plugins are available for Drupal easily. Wordpress do have it's own forum software BBpress which you can integrate.

Anyway, i just made few things clear to you. So that you don't choose drupal or any other software in some assumption. There should be clear observation, so i posted this.

Oh... really? Yeah, well, I thought that Wordpress was only static pages, because that's what one blog said about Wordpress when I was trying to install Drupal onto my local webserver (which I did successfully without any help from this forum (or any other) by finding a blog and a tutorial myself to follow!!! I'm just so proud of myself!!! )

But I do certainly agree that Drupal is much much much more complicated than Wordpress... however, one certain person said that when they moved from Wordpress to Drupal they really liked everything a lot more better and that they do prefer Drupal than Wordpress...

If you can find those community forums and personal blogs (the personal blogs one is optional - I can always let them have their own journal in a certain section of the forum) that you were talking about that is hosted on the Wordpress platform, then please, do give me some examples so I can make up my mind...

I do think that it is very hard to move from one platform to another, harder than moving hosting companies and webservers, so I don't want to make the wrong choice from the start. Remember... this is a long term project. I can see myself still working on it in my 20s, 30s, 40s, and maybe even in my 80s. So I'll need to best platform and hosting company ever to host my site.

And well, I'll be able to keep up with the hosting costs when I get a job, so that's not a problem.

And no, I never knew that Wordpress could put SMF, phpBB and other forum platforms on it, because I've never seen that, but I've only seen BBpress, and the layout's not very good at all, and I do agree with someone, I can't find their name on the posts below, that the BBpress forum can only support small communities, and I don't think I'll have a small community when my site gets more developed, so I'll need an actual forum platform like phpBB and SMF. (Preferably SMF because I like their smileys a lot. )

But yeah, just please show me some Wordpress hosted community sites and I'll make up my mind, though my opinion is leaning towards the Drupal side right now, mainly because I have seen what they can do now, and I like it, even though you require plug-ins for nearly everything and I still can't find a way to look at the actual site and not the administrator centre on my local webserver, I believe that I can conquer the basics of Drupal and survive like I did with Wordpress, though I must agree that Wordpress is way, way simpler and easier to grasp on for newbies... (Like moi).

[mahesh2k]

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But yeah, just please show me some Wordpress hosted community sites and I'll make up my mind, though my opinion is leaning towards the Drupal side right now, mainly because I have seen what they can do now, and I like it, even though you require plug-ins for nearly everything and I still can't find a way to look at the actual site and not the administrator centre on my local webserver, I believe that I can conquer the basics of Drupal and survive like I did with Wordpress, though I must agree that Wordpress is way, way simpler and easier to grasp on for newbies... (Like moi). smile.gif

Plenty of examples, it depends on niche websites you're looking for. Take example of Bloggingtips site. One more example of wordpress based community is newathens. And you know about 9rules community ? They have community Chawlk, which used wordpress+Bbpress. I can give you plenty of examples, most of them are from my niches so i gave you more general and social media related ones.

Another way to have community with wordpress is with Vannila forums. Which is lightweight but highliy customizable. Perfect for niches with small traffic and for webmaster who wants simplicity. You can also check Wordpress+forums based community integration using Onepress community.

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and I do agree with someone, I can't find their name on the posts below, that the BBpress forum can only support small communities

That was my comment .

Also one more thing to tell you about forum +CMS integration. I've found many blogs in your niche that is psychic/psionic, use Joomla. Take example of the site Mediumchannel they use joomla. If you want to install it on your webserver and want to compare these 3 then go ahead install joomla as well and then decide. Depending upon ease of use, themes, forum integration. Also don't take any blog/person's opinion for granted(not even mine), do some personal experiment so that you can find ways to work around CMS and will find out some blogs could be biased about opinion.

[Nameless_]

mahesh2k, on Sep 26 2009, 11:05 PM, said:

Plenty of examples, it depends on niche websites you're looking for. Take example of Bloggingtips site. One more example of wordpress based community is newathens. And you know about 9rules community ? They have community Chawlk, which used wordpress+Bbpress. I can give you plenty of examples, most of them are from my niches so i gave you more general and social media related ones.

Another way to have community with wordpress is with Vannila forums. Which is lightweight but highliy customizable. Perfect for niches with small traffic and for webmaster who wants simplicity. You can also check Wordpress+forums based community integration using Onepress community.

That was my comment .

Also one more thing to tell you about forum +CMS integration. I've found many blogs in your niche that is psychic/psionic, use Joomla. Take example of the site Mediumchannel they use joomla. If you want to install it on your webserver and want to compare these 3 then go ahead install joomla as well and then decide. Depending upon ease of use, themes, forum integration. Also don't take any blog/person's opinion for granted(not even mine), do some personal experiment so that you can find ways to work around CMS and will find out some blogs could be biased about opinion.

Cool thanks... well, just to tell you that um... the newathens.org doesn't really work, because it requires me to log in, and my Mac computer has checked its security and told me that they couldn't find a valid certificate, which means that it may be another site pretending to be newathens.org (yeah, with the https), but I went there anyway and couldn't see anything because I don't have an account. I also went to Chawlk, but it just redirected me to 9rules... is that suppose to happen? But anyway... Yeah, so I couldn't see the BBpress forums. But I've seen it before and I didn't really like it that much...

I didn't really get GetVanilla, but I went to their community page and I didn't like their layout that much at all...

But I liked the look of the Onepress Community and the Bloggingtips Forums, that's what I'm actually looking for... And yeah, I've seen mediumchannel before. My site will be a mix of that, and this. So it'll be a blog on the MAIN site, so that search engines will find it better (I've read somewhere that they like more regularly updated sites than static pages, so I won't have a home page, I'll just put all the information on the about page), and I'll have a easily accessible forum / community site, and have the "recent forum threads and topics" on the front page, just like Blogging tips.

I actually like Blogging tips a lot.

I really do, they have all the basic layout things that I need, and I just only need to add a sub menu bar under the red bar at the bottom to fufil my needs...

And change the whole layout to fit my niche and topic, of course.

But now I'm stuck. Wordpress or Drupal? I'll have to take a look at Joomla too... What do you people prefer? I'd like to get some advice too... I still haven't figured a way to get out of the default home page (admin centre) on Drupal on my local webserver, so.... yeah... Wordpress's way easier, I suppose.

[mahesh2k]

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Cool thanks... well, just to tell you that um... the newathens.org doesn't really work, because it requires me to log in, and my Mac computer has checked its security and told me that they couldn't find a valid certificate, which means that it may be another site pretending to be newathens.org (yeah, with the https), but I went there anyway and couldn't see anything because I don't have an account. I also went to Chawlk, but it just redirected me to 9rules... is that suppose to happen? But anyway... smile.gif Yeah, so I couldn't see the BBpress forums. But I've seen it before and I didn't really like it that much...

Newathens is safe site, that login page forced your safari for warning. it's just that like our blogs and forums it doesn't have it's own certificate. How can we expect from community forums ? you can remove https and try the link, register and take a look it. and oh yeah, chawlk is part of 9rules, and they re redesigning it. So that is why it was not accessible IMO.

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I didn't really get GetVanilla, but I went to their community page and I didn't like their layout that much at all...

It's vanilla not getvanilla. And how can you judge software from their designs ? There are plenty of good themes and layout available for vanilla. So you've to do experiment to try things out. devlounge had forum based on vanilla but it down now. Otherwise i could have shown you cool vanilla layouts. Anyway, you've to check community themes of vanilla to try things out.

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But now I'm stuck. Wordpress or Drupal? I'll have to take a look at Joomla too... What do you people prefer? I'd like to get some advice too... I still haven't figured a way to get out of the default home page (admin centre) on Drupal on my local webserver, so.... yeah... Wordpress's way easier, I suppose.

My opinion is Joomla and wordpress are easy to learn and there are bridges to forum software available. In comparison to drupal, you can say joomla and wordpress are much better. In terms of theme, plugins and availability of designer and ease of use as well. Yes, you can try Joomla and then decide. Also i recommend you to install some forum software and try to bridge them with wordpress and drupal so that you can get idea which is easier and better.

[rvalkass]

Nameless_, on Sep 27 2009, 12:07 AM, said:

But now I'm stuck. Wordpress or Drupal? I'll have to take a look at Joomla too... What do you people prefer? I'd like to get some advice too... I still haven't figured a way to get out of the default home page (admin centre) on Drupal on my local webserver, so.... yeah... Wordpress's way easier, I suppose.

I'm not doing this as a shameless plug, more for examples I started with my blog on Wordpress, and still use it at the moment. However, for any new sites I develop (such as this one) I tend to side with Drupal. Whether you find Wordpress or Drupal easier is a matter of personal preference, but to use either one effectively you have to put in the time to learn it.

mahesh2k, on Sep 27 2009, 08:50 AM, said:

In comparison to drupal, you can say joomla and wordpress are much better. In terms of theme, plugins and availability of designer and ease of use as well.

Saying that something is better is purely a matter of opinion. For me, Joomla isn't particularly good and Wordpress isn't powerful enough, so Drupal is better for what I want to do. It's all a matter of personal opinion and your exact requirements.

One of the main reasons I now use Drupal (after using Wordpress and Joomla, and others) is the wide availability of plugins and themes, and it's power and extensibility.

mahesh2k, on Sep 27 2009, 08:50 AM, said:

Also i recommend you to install some forum software and try to bridge them with wordpress and drupal so that you can get idea which is easier and better.

For reference, Drupal has a forum module included, so there is no need to bridge it to anything else. If you have an existing forum, or want to use a different one, then there are bridging modules available though.

[mahesh2k]

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Saying that something is better is purely a matter of opinion. For me, Joomla isn't particularly good and Wordpress isn't powerful enough, so Drupal is better for what I want to do. It's all a matter of personal opinion and your exact requirements.

Yes, that was my point. That's why i earlier cleared with him that to check if wordpress or drupal is easy for him. He checked that and found out wordpress is easy to use for him in comparison with drupal. Now if he starts to edit themes of drupal and wordpress, let him see that as well which is better. again it's his personal opinion on it. He could find drupal good with theme editing. Who knows ? It depends on his personal experience with those software and how he views at it.

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For reference, Drupal has a forum module included, so there is no need to bridge it to anything else. If you have an existing forum, or want to use a different one, then there are bridging modules available though.

Though Drupal has forum module. Depending upon his selection of forum software he needs to use those bridges. and the situation is he's starting blog first and building community later on it based on readers of blog. So this way, that bridge module is necessary. And as we're unaware of which forum software he selected or have in his mind(maybe phpbb or smf no idea) so i asked him to download and test the forum and CMS with bridge module and then decide.

[Nameless_]

rvalkass, on Sep 27 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

I'm not doing this as a shameless plug, more for examples I started with my blog on Wordpress, and still use it at the moment. However, for any new sites I develop (such as this one) I tend to side with Drupal. Whether you find Wordpress or Drupal easier is a matter of personal preference, but to use either one effectively you have to put in the time to learn it.

Saying that something is better is purely a matter of opinion. For me, Joomla isn't particularly good and Wordpress isn't powerful enough, so Drupal is better for what I want to do. It's all a matter of personal opinion and your exact requirements.

One of the main reasons I now use Drupal (after using Wordpress and Joomla, and others) is the wide availability of plugins and themes, and it's power and extensibility.

For reference, Drupal has a forum module included, so there is no need to bridge it to anything else. If you have an existing forum, or want to use a different one, then there are bridging modules available though.

Hmm? Yeah, OK.
I agree with you with the point that Drupal gives you more flexibility in changing your site themes and all that... but the thing is I don't know how to use it... I mean, I do, but all I get is the same administrator area page that I have absolutely no idea of how to change it and all that, but I'll take a closer look into everything and see if I can figure everything out.

And yeah, it did say that the post will go once I put my actual new post up, but I don't know how to post in the first place... talk about being stupid.

mahesh2k, on Sep 27 2009, 09:45 PM, said:

Yes, that was my point. That's why i earlier cleared with him that to check if wordpress or drupal is easy for him. He checked that and found out wordpress is easy to use for him in comparison with drupal. Now if he starts to edit themes of drupal and wordpress, let him see that as well which is better. again it's his personal opinion on it. He could find drupal good with theme editing. Who knows ? It depends on his personal experience with those software and how he views at it.

Though Drupal has forum module. Depending upon his selection of forum software he needs to use those bridges. and the situation is he's starting blog first and building community later on it based on readers of blog. So this way, that bridge module is necessary. And as we're unaware of which forum software he selected or have in his mind(maybe phpbb or smf no idea) so i asked him to download and test the forum and CMS with bridge module and then decide.

I have now installed Joomla... I know how to use it, so I think it's better than Drupal AT THIS POINT OF TIME because I know how to use it, though I find it extremely annoying when you keep having to press the "Close" button (the one with a red circle and a white X) every time you add a new module... But I like it how they have a "banner" client and all that. I tested it out though only the first default template can use that one module properly. But anyway.

Unfortunately, I still don't know how to change Joomla into a blogging platform software that archives automatically. Are you meant to archive everything separately and manually? But yeah. And I also like the fact that Joomla allows you to put polls on the site... I need that.

But I still don't know how to make everything look similar to Mediumchannel and an actual blog.

Also, I've been looking at the templates on all the website building platforms: Joomla, Wordpress and Drupal, and I can't find a template with two navigational bars on the top of the page in which one of them is a two level navigational banner.

So it's like this (What I want it to be like):

Top of the Page Banner: The normal navigational buttons like Home, About, Contact, Donate, etc, etc ... ... and then a search module
Middle of the Page Banner: The Logo and an advertisment banner.
Bottom of the Page Banner: A two level navigational banner with sub categories in the normal categories. So for me, it's like Psychic (main category. About Psychic stuff (sub category one), Learn about it (sub catergory two)... and so on.

I'll do a quick example for you here...


And here...


(But with a top navigational banner with it (not categories, but static pages - Home, About, Contact, Donate, etc, etc)

Thanks guys... OK, this is getting out of topic, I'll have to make another thread soon.

[rvalkass]

If you do choose to use Drupal, this thread explains what you want to do. Check out the linked site (straight.com) and check if that is the sort of menu you want:

http://groups.drupal.org/node/19225

If that is what you want, there is a URL to a module you can install in Drupal that gives you site the same functionality. Some people have also managed to get a similar thing going on with Drupal's default Primary and Secondary menus.

[Nameless_]

rvalkass, on Sep 28 2009, 07:50 PM, said:

If you do choose to use Drupal, this thread explains what you want to do. Check out the linked site (straight.com) and check if that is the sort of menu you want:

http://groups.drupal.org/node/19225

If that is what you want, there is a URL to a module you can install in Drupal that gives you site the same functionality. Some people have also managed to get a similar thing going on with Drupal's default Primary and Secondary menus.

Cool, thanks. Looks like you really like Drupal, don't you? Hmm... well, I would be trying that, but the only thing is, well, not the only thing, but the main problem is that I can't get out of the default page whenever I'm on Drupal, and I can't seem to be able to change it into a blogging platform... at all... so that's the main problem, I suppose...

But if I can change that, then I'll be able to try it... I don't know. It seems like to me that Drupal is much more flexible than Joomla!, and Joomla! is much much more flexible than Wordpress, though Wordpress is the easiest to use, especially if you're only developing a blog, and Joomla! is easier to use than Drupal, and so on and so on... etc.

I don't think that I'll be using Wordpress though. Everything is too limited in terms of flexibility and I do prefer both Drupal and Joomla! more... but the Drupal's two navigational levels things would help me a lot, because I've been searching everywhere on the web for a two level navigational banner ever since I started my first blogspot blog...

In which I have had no success whatsoever.

But in this case I suppose my thing is saved, for now.

But if I am to use Drupal, then I'll have to learn how to use it first...

But thanks for the help, rvalkass.

[rvalkass]

Nameless_, on Sep 28 2009, 12:58 PM, said:

Cool, thanks. Looks like you really like Drupal, don't you?

I'm most familiar with it and it's the one I know most about and have the most experience of using, along with Wordpress. Wordpress is simple and easy. Drupal is a bit more complicated, but much more powerful. Joomla for me was an unhappy medium; not powerful enough but not simple enough either.

Nameless_, on Sep 28 2009, 12:58 PM, said:

Hmm... well, I would be trying that, but the only thing is, well, not the only thing, but the main problem is that I can't get out of the default page whenever I'm on Drupal, and I can't seem to be able to change it into a blogging platform... at all... so that's the main problem, I suppose...

To get to the main page of your Drupal installation, click on the Drupal logo in the top left of the page (the blue head with white sunglasses on... who picked that logo?!). Until you make a post on the site then a default message will appear with some basic instructions. The admin area is "built in" as part of the site in the menu on the left. You just get a few more menu options that allow you to access all the admin stuff.

To enable blogging, click Administer in the menu on the left, then Site Building then Modules. Click the 'enabled' checkbox next to the Blog module. Hit the Save Configuration button at the bottom. Blogging is now enabled. Click Create Content on the left and you should now see a Blog Post option

[Nameless_]

rvalkass, on Sep 28 2009, 10:41 PM, said:

I'm most familiar with it and it's the one I know most about and have the most experience of using, along with Wordpress. Wordpress is simple and easy. Drupal is a bit more complicated, but much more powerful. Joomla for me was an unhappy medium; not powerful enough but not simple enough either.

To get to the main page of your Drupal installation, click on the Drupal logo in the top left of the page (the blue head with white sunglasses on... who picked that logo?!). Until you make a post on the site then a default message will appear with some basic instructions. The admin area is "built in" as part of the site in the menu on the left. You just get a few more menu options that allow you to access all the admin stuff.

To enable blogging, click Administer in the menu on the left, then Site Building then Modules. Click the 'enabled' checkbox next to the Blog module. Hit the Save Configuration button at the bottom. Blogging is now enabled. Click Create Content on the left and you should now see a Blog Post option

Ah... OK, yeah, I've done some research and it seems like Drupal is mainly for developers and people that like digging into code. I'm not scared of that, and I'm willing to learn, so i've done some basic lessons of Drupal on the internet and I'm ready to go...

And thanks for the post... I've done my first post and finally got rid of the annoying administrator area that was hogging the front page!!! I did go to modules, and there was a "Blog API" and a "Blog" Module, and I enabled the "Blog API", because apparently I think that some one told me that you don't need the "Blog" Module unless you wanted your members to have individual blogs, and since I don't need that (yet), I didn't enable it.

But anyway, thanks for the push-off on Drupal... but the thing is that I've just had an extremely big catastrophe... but anyway.... I just thought that this thread has gone waaaaayy off-topic, so I created a new one here with the big main problem that I've encountered there:
http://www.trap17.com/forums/Drupal-and-Op...pic-t68560.html

And yeah, thanks for everything...

P.S. Yeah, I also think that the logo looks a bit retarded... but what can you say? After all, it's one of the top two open source CMSs in the world....

(I really can't tell the difference between Joomla! and Drupal yet though. They are like, the same, and I encountered the same problems... And no, I didn't see the Create Blog Content thing yet. Maybe I just haven't dug deep enough into the functions, but now I just need to get the thing working again if I ever want to see the retarded logo on my local webserver again. )

[aloKNsh]

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