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[Nameless_]

Hello people... another help from Nameless_ here.

IT seems like to me that Filezilla can only be used on a Mac version of OS X 10.5 and above, and because I only have a Mac computer that suddenly downgraded itself and it's version to OS X 10.4, I couldn't use FileZilla and had to search for FileZilla alternatives instead. However, because no one knows how to use anything else like Cross FTP or CyberDuck, I told my dad to upgrade my computer for me and so I have successfully installed FileZilla on my Macintosh computer, version OS X 10.6.1...

Now the problem is, now that I have FileZilla, how do I use it? I want to install Drupal onto my cPanel, and considering I have 1000mb of free space, that should be enough, as some members said that you can already install Drupal (or Joomla) on a 20mb hosting plan at Trap17. Apparently all the files are meant to go into the public_ftp/ folder. Now that I am in a FileZilla user prone environment, can someone tell me how to use FileZilla and upload files onto my cPanel? How do I know how to put it in the right folder and how to take it down if I did it wrong?

Thanks...
(P.s. how does a FTP server work exactly? Everything seems so complicated. How is it that a software can connect to the web and send files from the local computer to "up there"?)

[jlhaslip]

For the file transfer to work, you need to supply the Account FTP information for your Trap17 account and then select the files to upload. I haven't used filezilla for a long time, but I think all you need to do is drop and drag the files from "local" to "up there".

[FouGilang]

how do you use filezilla?

see, the left side explorer is your pc files
and the right side explorer is your host files (it'll be blank unless you loggen in to your host)
you can upload your files, simply by drag and drop those files in the left side to the right side

i dont know about trap's directory, so i assume it is same with mine
http://www.yoursite.com/123456/qwerty in ftp views should looks like /public_html/123456/qwerty

if you want to install joomla, then upload your joomla files to the /public_html/ folder

anyway, i dont know if you really can install joomla on 20MB hosting though
my joomla site take 50MB for all those installation, caching, template, and plugins

Edited by FouGilang, 30 October 2009 - 11:23 PM.

[Nameless_]

OK... well, thanks for the help guys... I have successfully connected to my server on my cPanel using FileZilla... but after that, even when I can find my files that I want to put in (that is, the open-source CMS Drupal), I don't know which folder to put it in. There are so many files and folders that I don't even know which one to put in, and I believe that while I was dabbling around, I believe that I have accidentally uploaded some of my files "up there", so now I don't even know which files to delete and which ones that I am not meant to touch...

Any help on this? Does anyone have a list of files and/or folders that I am "meant" to have and others that I am not so I know which files and folders to delete? Also, which files or folders am I meant to put my Drupal folder in, and which file and folder am I meant to put the "verification file" from Google Apps Custom Mail Domain Verification in???

And how do I do that? I'm glad I got the connection right, but even know that I know how to use it, well, I don't know which folders to put different things in!!! Oh yeah... and after searching the web it turns out that the default port is 21 for my FileZilla FTP software, but when I get to my cPanel I have to go to somethingdomain.subdomain.net:2082. Different ports!!! Why is that???

Thanks for answering my thread though... there's a lot of questions there... please try and answer all of them. Thanks.

[FouGilang]

About the drupal, you may want to read their readme / installation files, they should have some installation instructions there
I dunno for the other files, but if you just upload them to public_html folder and didnt mean to, just press your delete button to delete them (unless if you accidentally upload to the dot(.)ed folder, i dunno...)
Most Verification files are uploaded to public_html, which mean it should be able to opened by url http://yoursite.com/...file.extensions

Oh and the port
Port 21 was just so-called 'default port'. for some reason, the hosting provider may want to change their port, mostly for securing stuff

Edited by FouGilang, 31 October 2009 - 02:04 AM.

[manish-mohania]

@Nameless_

Reasons for different ports for different applications:

Take an analogy with ip-address of a computer. To identify among lakhs of computers on internet, you need to have ip-address of the remote computer. Similarly, to identify among many applications running on a server, you need to know the port at which the application is running.

There can be only one application that can listen on the same ip and same port. So if the server provides two services/applications ftp(port:21) and control panel(port:2082). Both services can not take same ip and same port.

You can provide service at any unused port. For e.g: you can run your webserver(http) on port 80(default) or port 8080.

Default ports are standard ports for some known services like (ftp,ssh,telnet,http). Had not they be give default ports; everybody would be using their own ports and it would be hell of mess to browse web or transfer your files over internet.

Location of files on webserver

I don't know about the file structure of trap17. But I think things work this way.

If you have a domain example.com then,
you need to upload your web site(drupal) in public_html folder.
Your site would be accessibe as http:/example.com/

If you want to install drupal in a sub-domain then,
you need to upload your web site(drupal) in public_html/<path-to-sub-domain-folder>/ folder.
Your site would be accessible as http://<your-sub-domain>.<your-domain>/
For e.g, For:
sub-domain = test
domain = example.com
You will access site as http://test.example.com/

[rvalkass]

Nameless_, on Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

OK... well, thanks for the help guys... I have successfully connected to my server on my cPanel using FileZilla... but after that, even when I can find my files that I want to put in (that is, the open-source CMS Drupal), I don't know which folder to put it in. There are so many files and folders that I don't even know which one to put in, and I believe that while I was dabbling around, I believe that I have accidentally uploaded some of my files "up there", so now I don't even know which files to delete and which ones that I am not meant to touch...

Generally, don't delete any of the folders that are in your account when you get it. They control things like what domains you have, email settings and stuff like that. Uploading extra files there by accident shouldn't be a massive problem actually

As a safe rule, only ever touch the public_html and public_ftp folders. Inside those two you can put all the files and folders you like and delete those files and folders.

Nameless_, on Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

Any help on this? Does anyone have a list of files and/or folders that I am "meant" to have and others that I am not so I know which files and folders to delete? Also, which files or folders am I meant to put my Drupal folder in, and which file and folder am I meant to put the "verification file" from Google Apps Custom Mail Domain Verification in???

Even if you have uploaded some files by accident, I wouldn't go around trying to delete anything that is outside the public_html and public_ftp folders.

The files for Drupal go into the public_html folder. The Google verification file goes into the public_html folder. Anything that needs to be accessed by a web browser goes into the public_html folder.

Nameless_, on Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

And how do I do that? I'm glad I got the connection right, but even know that I know how to use it, well, I don't know which folders to put different things in!!!

Drag and drop. I think in FileZilla the left hand side shows files and folders on your PC, while the right hand side shows your hosting. On the left, navigate to the files and folders you want to upload. On the right, navigation into the public_html directory. Drag files and folders from the left and drop them on the right, and they will start to transfer.

Nameless_, on Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

Oh yeah... and after searching the web it turns out that the default port is 21 for my FileZilla FTP software, but when I get to my cPanel I have to go to somethingdomain.subdomain.net:2082. Different ports!!! Why is that???

Applications use different ports so that their data doesn't get mixed up with everything else, and so they can easily identify data meant for them. FTP uploads work on port 21. People accessing your website use port 80. cPanel uses port 2082. Most games use their own ports as well.

[Nameless_]

OK, thanks for the info, people...so I'll only ever upload things on the public_html folder, and I don't think I will even touch the public_ftp folder... Unortunately, something happened... I can't seem to find the public_ftp folder now!!! I can't find it at all!!! I don't know what happened!!! I have only deleted the one folder that I believe I have uploaded wrongly before from when I was using CrossFTP to no avail, but even then, I still can't find my public_ftp folder!!! I don't know what to do now!!! I don't think that I have accidentally deleted anything wrongly though... Only that one folder...
So I will hereby attempt to list all the main folders that I can find, and I hope that you people will be able to tell my what is wrong with everything... Is it possible to "reset" cPanel so that it looks like I haven't touched anything before? I only created two mail accounts and deleted that folder...

OK... so here is the list:

Quote

..
.cpanel
.htpasswds
.mozilla
.trash
access-logs
etc
mail
public_html
tmp
www
.bash_logout
.bash_profile
.bashrc
.contactemail
.lang
.lastlogin
.zshrc
cpbackup-exclude.conf

(Note one: the ".." is also a folder that I don't know what it is used for and it seems to be empty)
(Note two: from ".bash_logout" and below are files and NOT folders... I don't think I have seen them before though...)
Any help? Can someone see their own FIleZilla files and see if I have anything wrong? THis is meant to be the default files that I have, assuming that I haven't touched anything at all before...

If this helps, I will also include the log thingy for reference of what I did this session:

Quote

Status: Resolving address of ***mydomainnottellingyou.com
Status: Connecting to 66.197.158.229:21...
Status: Connection established, waiting for welcome message...
Response: 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [TLS] ----------
Response: 220-You are user number 2 of 50 allowed.
Response: 220-Local time is now 21:32. Server port: 21.
Response: 220-This is a private system - No anonymous login
Response: 220-IPv6 connections are also welcome on this server.
Response: 220 You will be disconnected after 15 minutes of inactivity.
Command: USER user
Response: 331 User user OK. Password required
Command: PASS ******************************************
Response: 230-User user has group access to: user
Response: 230 OK. Current restricted directory is /
Command: SYST
Response: 215 UNIX Type: L8
Command: FEAT
Response: 211-Extensions supported:
Response: EPRT
Response: IDLE
Response: MDTM
Response: SIZE
Response: REST STREAM
Response: MLST type*;size*;sizd*;modify*;UNIX.mode*;UNIX.uid*;UNIX.gid*;unique*;
Response: MLSD
Response: ESTP
Response: PASV
Response: EPSV
Response: SPSV
Response: ESTA
Response: AUTH TLS
Response: PBSZ
Response: PROT
Response: 211 End.
Status: Connected
Status: Retrieving directory listing...
Command: PWD
Response: 257 "/" is your current location
Command: TYPE I
Response: 200 TYPE is now 8-bit binary
Command: PASV
Response: 227 Entering Passive Mode (66,197,158,229,205,130)
Command: MLSD
Response: 150 Accepted data connection
Response: 226-ASCII
Response: 226-Options: -a -l
Response: 226 20 matches total
Status: Directory listing successful
Status: Resolving address of mydomain.com********
Status: Connecting to 66.197.158.229:21...
Status: Connection established, waiting for welcome message...
Response: 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [TLS] ----------
Response: 220-You are user number 4 of 50 allowed.
Response: 220-Local time is now 21:35. Server port: 21.
Response: 220-This is a private system - No anonymous login
Response: 220-IPv6 connections are also welcome on this server.
Response: 220 You will be disconnected after 15 minutes of inactivity.
Command: USER user
Response: 331 User user OK. Password required
Command: PASS *************************************
Response: 230-User user has group access to: user
Response: 230 OK. Current restricted directory is /
Status: Connected
Status: Starting download of /.contactemail
Command: CWD /
Response: 250 OK. Current directory is /
Command: PWD
Response: 257 "/" is your current location
Command: TYPE A
Response: 200 TYPE is now ASCII
Command: PASV
Response: 227 Entering Passive Mode (66,197,158,229,16,29)
Command: RETR .contactemail
Response: 150 Accepted data connection
Response: 226-File successfully transferred
Response: 226 0.013 seconds (measured here), 1.61 Kbytes per second
Status: File transfer successful
Status: Disconnected from server

Thanks people... someone help!!!

[FouGilang]

The two dot ( .. ) Was merely a command to 'go up one folder / directory' (you know, 'cd..' in DOS)
The other folders and files which have dot ( . ) In before their name are, kind of, system files. I wont touch any of them before searching what exactly am i going to do with them or whatever inside them

I dunno about the public ftp though, why dont you try to make a new folder and name it public_ftp? O.o

[Nameless_]

I don't know if that works... wait... isn't there a button to make things default? Can you check your own FileZilla folders and tell me what I am missing? Also, what do the extra files at the end of the folder list after www is for and what do they mean? I am pretty sure that they weren't there before... do you think that I can delete them?

Here is the list I am talking about:
.bash_logout
.bash_profile
.bashrc
.contactemail
.lang
.lastlogin
.zshrc
cpbackup-exclude.conf

Yeah... and can you tell me what folders I am missing?

[-Sky-]

Holy crap Nameless, quote tag your list dude! I don't see any other folders missing there?

(NOTE: I did NOT read the whole thread, too tired >.<)

[Nameless_]

Oh my god, sorry... I actually typed out the whole list though, I was still (and still am) opening the Filezilla application. Are you seriously sure you can't find any other missing files? What about the .bash_something and the .config_something files? What are they for? Have you seen anything like that before?

[FouGilang]

ok
i've opened my site, via filezilla and via cpanel
it can be that some or whole thing would be different between my host and your host though

this is how my files in cpanel:
 Untitled.jpg   31.09K   6 downloads

and this is my filezilla
 Untitledzzz.jpg   23.4K   5 downloads

sorry i have to make it "tiny"

[manish-mohania]

@Nameless_

.bash_something files are used by bash shell in linux to set up your environment like PATH variable/default editor; when you log in to your system via ssh/telnet.

I do not know about other files, but I want to know so that if anything goes wrong, I would be able to troubleshoot easily

Try to ftp your site as anonymous user without password. If you are able to ftp then there is no problem. Also, create a folder public_ftp with read/execute permission for all. Save some dummy file there and see if it is accessible through anonymous ftp. If you can access and then everything is fine as far as ftp is concerned.

[Nameless_]

FouGilang, on Nov 1 2009, 04:16 PM, said:

ok
i've opened my site, via filezilla and via cpanel
it can be that some or whole thing would be different between my host and your host though
sorry i have to make it "tiny"

Thank you SO much for your help, FouGilang... I suppose maybe I did delete my public_ftp file... But you've got many more files like perl and things like that that I don't have... but anyway, thank you for your help... I will add the public_ftp file and see if that works...

For your information, if you want, I will also include the screenshots of both my cpanel and my filezilla files for your reference.
And don't worry, I like it "tiny".

Thank you so very much once again... And yes, we've got different hosts... I don't use Trap17 as my host myself, so that would be definite, though I use the myCENTS on Trap17 to register my top-level .com domain name(s).

manish-mohania, on Nov 1 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

@Nameless_
.bash_something files are used by bash shell in linux to set up your environment like PATH variable/default editor; when you log in to your system via ssh/telnet.
I do not know about other files, but I want to know so that if anything goes wrong, I would be able to troubleshoot easily
Try to ftp your site as anonymous user without password. If you are able to ftp then there is no problem. Also, create a folder public_ftp with read/execute permission for all. Save some dummy file there and see if it is accessible through anonymous ftp. If you can access and then everything is fine as far as ftp is concerned.

Ah... OK, so it doesn't have anything to do with public_ftp. I was wondering myself whether I somehow deleted the public_ftp folder and all its contents somehow spilled out, but now that I have seen FouGilang's posts and screenshots and attachments and read your reply I realised that I am wrong. Either way, I guess the only thing that I can do now is to manually add the public_ftp folder on...

Anyway, thanks for the reply...

The weird thing is though, guess what I found in the public_html/ folder? A whole collection of MSN smileys that people use!!! I don't even know whether I should delete them or let them be and whether they are crucial to my website or not... I wonder how that got there though... I personally don't use MSN myself, and so obviously I won't be anywhere near uploading them up onto FileZilla... any advice, people?

(I've uploaded the screenshots as attachments... I hope it works...)

Attached Files

•  filezilla.jpg   295.53K   4 downloads
•  cpanel_files.jpg   68.78K   2 downloads

[rvalkass]

Nameless_, on Nov 1 2009, 01:46 AM, said:

I can't seem to find the public_ftp folder now!!! I can't find it at all!!!

Different hosting companies have different folders. If you are not hosted by Trap17 then there is no reason to expect the same folders that Trap17 uses. Your host might not allow anonymous FTP, so there would be no reason for a public_ftp folder.

Nameless_, on Nov 1 2009, 01:46 AM, said:

Is it possible to "reset" cPanel so that it looks like I haven't touched anything before? I only created two mail accounts and deleted that folder...

Not via cPanel. You'd need to send a ticket to your hosting company to ask them whether that is possible, and whether they would be willing to do it.

Nameless_, on Nov 1 2009, 03:24 AM, said:

I don't know if that works... wait... isn't there a button to make things default? Can you check your own FileZilla folders and tell me what I am missing? Also, what do the extra files at the end of the folder list after www is for and what do they mean? I am pretty sure that they weren't there before... do you think that I can delete them?

Checking your folders against someone else's is pointless if you are using different hosting companies. They will likely use different setups, and therefore have slightly different files and folders by default. Can you delete them? No! They're all settings and configuration files. Deleting them is not a good idea - it is possible to pretty much ruin your hosting settings by doing so. As a safe rule, only touch things inside the public_html folder.

Nameless_, on Nov 1 2009, 01:46 AM, said:

.bash_logout
.bash_profile
.bashrc
.contactemail
.lang
.lastlogin
.zshrc
cpbackup-exclude.conf

.bash_logout records your logouts from the shell.
.bash_profile contains shell setting such as path variables.
.bashrc same sort of thing, includes aliases and definitions.
.contactemail is very important - it contains the contact email address if anything goes wrong with your hosting.
.lang holds your language preference for cPanel.
.lastlogin contains the IP address of the last computer to log in to your cPanel.
.zshrc I have never seen - no idea
cpbackup-exclude.conf likely contains files and folders to be excluded when you use cPanel to take a backup of your hosting.

Nameless_, on Nov 1 2009, 08:01 AM, said:

The weird thing is though, guess what I found in the public_html/ folder? A whole collection of MSN smileys that people use!!! I don't even know whether I should delete them or let them be and whether they are crucial to my website or not... I wonder how that got there though... I personally don't use MSN myself, and so obviously I won't be anywhere near uploading them up onto FileZilla... any advice, people?

There also appears to be a default index file there. Does that use the smileys by and chance? It looks like your host uploaded them by default as a placeholder until you upload anything to your hosting.

[Nameless_]

rvalkass, on Nov 1 2009, 08:43 PM, said:

There also appears to be a default index file there. Does that use the smileys by and chance? It looks like your host uploaded them by default as a placeholder until you upload anything to your hosting.

Haha, no worries, I figured it out... I am absolutely sure I had a public_ftp folder before I touch anything in Filezilla, and so I just went to my cPanel and added a "public_ftp" folder in it with an "incoming" folder within that, because I read somewhere that that is also needed, and it just automatically had the "FTP" icon image thing next to it, so I assume that everything should be working correctly.

As for if I accidentally deleted any other files or folders, I can't say, so I can't and I won't be able to do anything about that at all... but I don't think it matters, I hope... and OK, thanks for the information. From now on I will only touch the public_html folder...

And no... the default index.html page doesn't have anything to do with smileys... does that mean I can just delete the file? OK then... for the first time ever I will put a link to my website here with my top level domain name that I have bought from Trap17 here (which will now deem me no longer nameless, just for the purpose of this thread and post: Here

Of course, that doesn't mean that I won't be giving out a grand opening to my site anyway... But here you go... there aren't any smileys, see? I will be changing that soon though. So, can I delete the smileys folder?

(Also, a quick question that isn't related to any of this: You can see that my hosting company put google ads on the page, right? And yet I can't see anything related to Google ads in the source code html, and when I downloaded the index file there isn't even a source code html at all... how does that work out?)

[FouGilang]

well just try to delete that folder and see what happened
as long as it's free you can just delete it if something happened

Quote

You can see that my hosting company put google ads on the page, right? And yet I can't see anything related to Google ads in the source code html, and when I downloaded the index file there isn't even a source code html at all... how does that work out?

it's a frame, maybe the source code you looking at was the frame code one
your real default index.html was here http://www.hosthelpe...fault/index.htm , it has every code waiting to be looked at, see?

Edited by FouGilang, 01 November 2009 - 11:15 AM.

[rvalkass]

Nameless_, on Nov 1 2009, 11:02 AM, said:

And no... the default index.html page doesn't have anything to do with smileys... does that mean I can just delete the file? OK then... for the first time ever I will put a link to my website here with my top level domain name that I have bought from Trap17 here (which will now deem me no longer nameless, just for the purpose of this thread and post: Here

If you're not using the smileys then it looks like it's OK to delete them.

Nameless_, on Nov 1 2009, 11:02 AM, said:

(Also, a quick question that isn't related to any of this: You can see that my hosting company put google ads on the page, right? And yet I can't see anything related to Google ads in the source code html, and when I downloaded the index file there isn't even a source code html at all... how does that work out?)

If you look at the source of that page, you'll find the following:

<td valign="top" width="285" height="384">
			 <script type="text/javascript"><!--
			  google_ad_client = "pub-****************";
			  /* 300x250, created 9/4/09 */
			  google_ad_slot = "**********";
			  google_ad_width = 300;
			  google_ad_height = 250;
			  //-->
			 </script>
			 <script type="text/javascript"
			  src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
			 </script>
			 <script type="text/javascript"><!--
			  google_ad_client = "pub-****************";
			  /* 300x250, created 9/4/09 */
			  google_ad_slot = "**********";
			  google_ad_width = 300;
			  google_ad_height = 250;
			  //-->
			 </script>
			 <script type="text/javascript"
			  src="http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com/pagead/show_ads.js">
			 </script>
			</td>

That looks like Google Ads code to me

[Nameless_]

FouGilang, on Nov 1 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

well just try to delete that folder and see what happened
as long as it's free you can just delete it if something happened

it's a frame, maybe the source code you looking at was the frame code one
your real default index.html was here http://www.hosthelpe...fault/index.htm , it has every code waiting to be looked at, see?

Wow!!! That is just soo incredibly cool!!! How in the world did you find that??? Incredible!!! Hmm... I think that I will be changing that very soon though.... I don't want anyone actually going back to my host and looking through my information, if that is possible... but anyway, what am I doing here right now? I should be fast asleep getting energy for my yearly examination tomorrow morning and for the whole week and a half that is coming and I am still posting on Trap17 late at night...

Hmm... oh well, I don't think I can help it if Trap17 is just so addictive anyway... It improves my typing skills...

rvalkass, on Nov 1 2009, 10:19 PM, said:

If you're not using the smileys then it looks like it's OK to delete them.

If you look at the source of that page, you'll find the following:

That looks like Google Ads code to me

Yes... that does... now I know how they do it... pretty smart, isn't it? Hmm... yeah well, I'll delete the smileys then. No point taking up diskspace is there? Even if it doesn't take up bandwidth if you can't see anything from the browser... but seriously, what are they doing there!? It freaks me out, having random phantom smileys folders you know, in the public_html folder... strange and wierd....

Ooooh...
I'll get rid of them... you'll see... because it's Halloween!!! Haha. Just joking.