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[Nameless_]

Hello people... another help from Nameless_ here.

IT seems like to me that Filezilla can only be used on a Mac version of OS X 10.5 and above, and because I only have a Mac computer that suddenly downgraded itself and it's version to OS X 10.4, I couldn't use FileZilla and had to search for FileZilla alternatives instead. However, because no one knows how to use anything else like Cross FTP or CyberDuck, I told my dad to upgrade my computer for me and so I have successfully installed FileZilla on my Macintosh computer, version OS X 10.6.1...

Now the problem is, now that I have FileZilla, how do I use it? I want to install Drupal onto my cPanel, and considering I have 1000mb of free space, that should be enough, as some members said that you can already install Drupal (or Joomla) on a 20mb hosting plan at Trap17. Apparently all the files are meant to go into the public_ftp/ folder. Now that I am in a FileZilla user prone environment, can someone tell me how to use FileZilla and upload files onto my cPanel? How do I know how to put it in the right folder and how to take it down if I did it wrong?

Thanks...
(P.s. how does a FTP server work exactly? Everything seems so complicated. How is it that a software can connect to the web and send files from the local computer to "up there"?)

[jlhaslip]

For the file transfer to work, you need to supply the Account FTP information for your Trap17 account and then select the files to upload. I haven't used filezilla for a long time, but I think all you need to do is drop and drag the files from "local" to "up there".

[FouGilang]

how do you use filezilla?

see, the left side explorer is your pc files
and the right side explorer is your host files (it'll be blank unless you loggen in to your host)
you can upload your files, simply by drag and drop those files in the left side to the right side

i dont know about trap's directory, so i assume it is same with mine
http://www.yoursite.com/123456/qwerty in ftp views should looks like /public_html/123456/qwerty

if you want to install joomla, then upload your joomla files to the /public_html/ folder

anyway, i dont know if you really can install joomla on 20MB hosting though
my joomla site take 50MB for all those installation, caching, template, and plugins

Edited by FouGilang, 30 October 2009 - 11:23 PM.

[Nameless_]

OK... well, thanks for the help guys... I have successfully connected to my server on my cPanel using FileZilla... but after that, even when I can find my files that I want to put in (that is, the open-source CMS Drupal), I don't know which folder to put it in. There are so many files and folders that I don't even know which one to put in, and I believe that while I was dabbling around, I believe that I have accidentally uploaded some of my files "up there", so now I don't even know which files to delete and which ones that I am not meant to touch...

Any help on this? Does anyone have a list of files and/or folders that I am "meant" to have and others that I am not so I know which files and folders to delete? Also, which files or folders am I meant to put my Drupal folder in, and which file and folder am I meant to put the "verification file" from Google Apps Custom Mail Domain Verification in???

And how do I do that? I'm glad I got the connection right, but even know that I know how to use it, well, I don't know which folders to put different things in!!! Oh yeah... and after searching the web it turns out that the default port is 21 for my FileZilla FTP software, but when I get to my cPanel I have to go to somethingdomain.subdomain.net:2082. Different ports!!! Why is that???

Thanks for answering my thread though... there's a lot of questions there... please try and answer all of them. Thanks.

[FouGilang]

About the drupal, you may want to read their readme / installation files, they should have some installation instructions there
I dunno for the other files, but if you just upload them to public_html folder and didnt mean to, just press your delete button to delete them (unless if you accidentally upload to the dot(.)ed folder, i dunno...)
Most Verification files are uploaded to public_html, which mean it should be able to opened by url http://yoursite.com/...file.extensions

Oh and the port
Port 21 was just so-called 'default port'. for some reason, the hosting provider may want to change their port, mostly for securing stuff

Edited by FouGilang, 31 October 2009 - 02:04 AM.

[manish-mohania]

@Nameless_

Reasons for different ports for different applications:

Take an analogy with ip-address of a computer. To identify among lakhs of computers on internet, you need to have ip-address of the remote computer. Similarly, to identify among many applications running on a server, you need to know the port at which the application is running.

There can be only one application that can listen on the same ip and same port. So if the server provides two services/applications ftp(port:21) and control panel(port:2082). Both services can not take same ip and same port.

You can provide service at any unused port. For e.g: you can run your webserver(http) on port 80(default) or port 8080.

Default ports are standard ports for some known services like (ftp,ssh,telnet,http). Had not they be give default ports; everybody would be using their own ports and it would be hell of mess to browse web or transfer your files over internet.

Location of files on webserver

I don't know about the file structure of trap17. But I think things work this way.

If you have a domain example.com then,
you need to upload your web site(drupal) in public_html folder.
Your site would be accessibe as http:/example.com/

If you want to install drupal in a sub-domain then,
you need to upload your web site(drupal) in public_html/<path-to-sub-domain-folder>/ folder.
Your site would be accessible as http://<your-sub-domain>.<your-domain>/
For e.g, For:
sub-domain = test
domain = example.com
You will access site as http://test.example.com/

[rvalkass]

Nameless_, on Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

OK... well, thanks for the help guys... I have successfully connected to my server on my cPanel using FileZilla... but after that, even when I can find my files that I want to put in (that is, the open-source CMS Drupal), I don't know which folder to put it in. There are so many files and folders that I don't even know which one to put in, and I believe that while I was dabbling around, I believe that I have accidentally uploaded some of my files "up there", so now I don't even know which files to delete and which ones that I am not meant to touch...

Generally, don't delete any of the folders that are in your account when you get it. They control things like what domains you have, email settings and stuff like that. Uploading extra files there by accident shouldn't be a massive problem actually

As a safe rule, only ever touch the public_html and public_ftp folders. Inside those two you can put all the files and folders you like and delete those files and folders.

Nameless_, on Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

Any help on this? Does anyone have a list of files and/or folders that I am "meant" to have and others that I am not so I know which files and folders to delete? Also, which files or folders am I meant to put my Drupal folder in, and which file and folder am I meant to put the "verification file" from Google Apps Custom Mail Domain Verification in???

Even if you have uploaded some files by accident, I wouldn't go around trying to delete anything that is outside the public_html and public_ftp folders.

The files for Drupal go into the public_html folder. The Google verification file goes into the public_html folder. Anything that needs to be accessed by a web browser goes into the public_html folder.

Nameless_, on Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

And how do I do that? I'm glad I got the connection right, but even know that I know how to use it, well, I don't know which folders to put different things in!!!

Drag and drop. I think in FileZilla the left hand side shows files and folders on your PC, while the right hand side shows your hosting. On the left, navigate to the files and folders you want to upload. On the right, navigation into the public_html directory. Drag files and folders from the left and drop them on the right, and they will start to transfer.

Nameless_, on Oct 31 2009, 01:41 AM, said:

Oh yeah... and after searching the web it turns out that the default port is 21 for my FileZilla FTP software, but when I get to my cPanel I have to go to somethingdomain.subdomain.net:2082. Different ports!!! Why is that???

Applications use different ports so that their data doesn't get mixed up with everything else, and so they can easily identify data meant for them. FTP uploads work on port 21. People accessing your website use port 80. cPanel uses port 2082. Most games use their own ports as well.

[Nameless_]

OK, thanks for the info, people...so I'll only ever upload things on the public_html folder, and I don't think I will even touch the public_ftp folder... Unortunately, something happened... I can't seem to find the public_ftp folder now!!! I can't find it at all!!! I don't know what happened!!! I have only deleted the one folder that I believe I have uploaded wrongly before from when I was using CrossFTP to no avail, but even then, I still can't find my public_ftp folder!!! I don't know what to do now!!! I don't think that I have accidentally deleted anything wrongly though... Only that one folder...
So I will hereby attempt to list all the main folders that I can find, and I hope that you people will be able to tell my what is wrong with everything... Is it possible to "reset" cPanel so that it looks like I haven't touched anything before? I only created two mail accounts and deleted that folder...

OK... so here is the list:

Quote

..
.cpanel
.htpasswds
.mozilla
.trash
access-logs
etc
mail
public_html
tmp
www
.bash_logout
.bash_profile
.bashrc
.contactemail
.lang
.lastlogin
.zshrc
cpbackup-exclude.conf

(Note one: the ".." is also a folder that I don't know what it is used for and it seems to be empty)
(Note two: from ".bash_logout" and below are files and NOT folders... I don't think I have seen them before though...)
Any help? Can someone see their own FIleZilla files and see if I have anything wrong? THis is meant to be the default files that I have, assuming that I haven't touched anything at all before...

If this helps, I will also include the log thingy for reference of what I did this session:

Quote

Status: Resolving address of ***mydomainnottellingyou.com
Status: Connecting to 66.197.158.229:21...
Status: Connection established, waiting for welcome message...
Response: 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [TLS] ----------
Response: 220-You are user number 2 of 50 allowed.
Response: 220-Local time is now 21:32. Server port: 21.
Response: 220-This is a private system - No anonymous login
Response: 220-IPv6 connections are also welcome on this server.
Response: 220 You will be disconnected after 15 minutes of inactivity.
Command: USER user
Response: 331 User user OK. Password required
Command: PASS ******************************************
Response: 230-User user has group access to: user
Response: 230 OK. Current restricted directory is /
Command: SYST
Response: 215 UNIX Type: L8
Command: FEAT
Response: 211-Extensions supported:
Response: EPRT
Response: IDLE
Response: MDTM
Response: SIZE
Response: REST STREAM
Response: MLST type*;size*;sizd*;modify*;UNIX.mode*;UNIX.uid*;UNIX.gid*;unique*;
Response: MLSD
Response: ESTP
Response: PASV
Response: EPSV
Response: SPSV
Response: ESTA
Response: AUTH TLS
Response: PBSZ
Response: PROT
Response: 211 End.
Status: Connected
Status: Retrieving directory listing...
Command: PWD
Response: 257 "/" is your current location
Command: TYPE I
Response: 200 TYPE is now 8-bit binary
Command: PASV
Response: 227 Entering Passive Mode (66,197,158,229,205,130)
Command: MLSD
Response: 150 Accepted data connection
Response: 226-ASCII
Response: 226-Options: -a -l
Response: 226 20 matches total
Status: Directory listing successful
Status: Resolving address of mydomain.com********
Status: Connecting to 66.197.158.229:21...
Status: Connection established, waiting for welcome message...
Response: 220---------- Welcome to Pure-FTPd [TLS] ----------
Response: 220-You are user number 4 of 50 allowed.
Response: 220-Local time is now 21:35. Server port: 21.
Response: 220-This is a private system - No anonymous login
Response: 220-IPv6 connections are also welcome on this server.
Response: 220 You will be disconnected after 15 minutes of inactivity.
Command: USER user
Response: 331 User user OK. Password required
Command: PASS *************************************
Response: 230-User user has group access to: user
Response: 230 OK. Current restricted directory is /
Status: Connected
Status: Starting download of /.contactemail
Command: CWD /
Response: 250 OK. Current directory is /
Command: PWD
Response: 257 "/" is your current location
Command: TYPE A
Response: 200 TYPE is now ASCII
Command: PASV
Response: 227 Entering Passive Mode (66,197,158,229,16,29)
Command: RETR .contactemail
Response: 150 Accepted data connection
Response: 226-File successfully transferred
Response: 226 0.013 seconds (measured here), 1.61 Kbytes per second
Status: File transfer successful
Status: Disconnected from server

Thanks people... someone help!!!

[FouGilang]

The two dot ( .. ) Was merely a command to 'go up one folder / directory' (you know, 'cd..' in DOS)
The other folders and files which have dot ( . ) In before their name are, kind of, system files. I wont touch any of them before searching what exactly am i going to do with them or whatever inside them

I dunno about the public ftp though, why dont you try to make a new folder and name it public_ftp? O.o

[Nameless_]

I don't know if that works... wait... isn't there a button to make things default? Can you check your own FileZilla folders and tell me what I am missing? Also, what do the extra files at the end of the folder list after www is for and what do they mean? I am pretty sure that they weren't there before... do you think that I can delete them?

Here is the list I am talking about:
.bash_logout
.bash_profile
.bashrc
.contactemail
.lang
.lastlogin
.zshrc
cpbackup-exclude.conf

Yeah... and can you tell me what folders I am missing?