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[Nameless_]

Hello people... after a long break from Trap17 working on my blog, I have come to find that Trap17 is now working on a Creative Commons License. You can see that this is true from the Creative Commons License Buttons on the bottom of the forum... And after looking at the license, it seems like everyone and anyone can now take what we have posted here on Trap17 and change it or say that it is their own work.

Now, I have a few works that I have posted on here, and I do not wish for anyone to take it as their own, so is it possible for me to edit my works so that they are now gone? Also, I have posted on under the (No post count) forums. If I edit it, does that mean that I will lose myCents?

Thanks... I didn't know that Trap17 was on Creative Commons... -Sky-, you better watch out, because your Chronicles of Niko might get taken by someone else and they might put it up on their site instead soon....

Nameless_

[OpaQue]

The Creative Commons License clearly says

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Attribution — You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).

The Notice at the bottom of the page says

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Notice — For any reuse or distribution, you must make clear to others the license terms of this work. The best way to do this is with a link to this web page.

So, not only your work gets its right value but you are also able to reach a wider audience. I believe the resource on the internet should be free, Hence the Creative Commons License.

[mahesh2k]

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And after looking at the license, it seems like everyone and anyone can now take what we have posted here on Trap17 and change it or say that it is their own work.

Are you worried about it ? If so, don't be. Advertisers and readers don't flock at blogs or sites who rip off content of others and present as theirs(without any credit). There are many black hat SEO people out there and i came across many9from warrior forum) who get content from creative commons forum or blogs and just aggregate at one place. Monetize and earn from it. Advertisers and readers can easily find out the rewritten(or copied) articles and once they find out then such sites go down. How you can confirm this ? Just go to any scraper or rip-off blog.

For example, this blog rips of personal profiles of orkut people and post it on blog. This blog never got warning about duplicate content from google but google warned blogger about posting testimonials and profile info on his blog without permission. If more people report such scrapers then i'm sure this scraping and rip off business will be out soon. I don't know when such blogs will go down. Blogspot.com is heaven for Black hat people or scrapers and spammers.

As far as taking pictures from blog or forum, i don't think it makes any trouble unless photograher has any commercial interest. If any, then we better respect his work.

For me, we have contributed lot of stuff here on trap17. I don't mind people taking it out and rewrite it and have some cash cause it is in creative commons and they have to credit us back for the stuff we have here. If they don't then they are thieves, and don't expect some rational moves from those who steal. We should do what good needs to be done from side, let some parasite survives their own way.

[manish-mohania]

Hi,

I think CC license means, others can:

1. create a new work based on your work.
2. create a derivative of your work.

but on a condition that others have to give credit to you for your work.

It doesn't mean others can steal your hard work. It just allows others to share your work.

I think it will allow more people to have access to your content/work and will thus bring more fame to you

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Ooops ... I missed the two posts above .. sorry ..

Edited by manish-mohania, 12 December 2009 - 08:08 AM.

[Nameless_]

Perhaps that might be the case, but what if I want to post them on my blog, or something like that? Also, yes, people do copy, and they might get caught, but many of them don't. It's not the posts that I am worried about, it's my articles and my works... in particularly the Train Journey article that I have written and the two psychic phenomena tutorial articles... apart from that, I have no worries.

I mean... well, unless people are absolutely sure that I did this thing, I don't want anyone copying it... or making a deviation out of it, especially the Train Journey one, because I like that idea a lot and it is rather original and unique to me... Can you provide me with other means of persuading me that I shouldn't take those three posts down?

Thanks, Nameless_

[mahesh2k]

If you are worried about your posts in your blog getting copied. You can do two things:

1) Copyscape protection widget(sane one will stop by seeing this,insane one will continue).
2) Use Copy-protection plugin that don't let people select text on your blog.

These are your safeguard for your own blog. For wordpress i can guide you for such plugins cause i'm using it on my blog cause i have found few rippers from my own country doing that. So i installed the plugin and i don't have to worry about copy now.

For Drupal i'm not sure of any such plugin, but you can always ask about this to drupal bloggers or on drupal forums.

[BCD]

Nameless_, on Dec 12 2009, 02:15 PM, said:

I don't want anyone copying it... or making a deviation out of it...

May be this issue can be sorted out like this. First to know what was the posting policy at the time you posted the posts here. If it said posters were the sole copyright holders of their posts, then you are indeed the righteous owner of the post, because you posted it in accordance with rules at that time. So trap17 can also put at the footer below cc banner, that the posts dated before so and so belong to their respective posters. This might solve your concern.

[rvalkass]

Nameless_, on Dec 12 2009, 08:45 AM, said:

Perhaps that might be the case, but what if I want to post them on my blog, or something like that? Also, yes, people do copy, and they might get caught, but many of them don't. It's not the posts that I am worried about, it's my articles and my works... in particularly the Train Journey article that I have written and the two psychic phenomena tutorial articles... apart from that, I have no worries.

I mean... well, unless people are absolutely sure that I did this thing, I don't want anyone copying it... or making a deviation out of it, especially the Train Journey one, because I like that idea a lot and it is rather original and unique to me... Can you provide me with other means of persuading me that I shouldn't take those three posts down?

Thanks, Nameless_

Before the Creative Commons licence was added to the forums, all works were copyright to you and you were providing a licence to Trap17 to show them on its website. Now the content is still copyright to you but people are free to use portions of it elsewhere as long as they cite you as the source - usually by providing a link back to the original location if they are reproducing it online. Therefore, by law, people have to make it clear where they got the content from and who originally created it. The same goes if people make derivations from your work.

Personally I would have preferred the CC-by-nc-nd licence.

[manish-mohania]

@BCD
I agree with you. It can be done... but I think posting policy at that time was not that liberal and it didn't give the poster sole right to it's posts. I do not exactly remember ... I might be wrong.

@Nameless_

Nameless_, on Dec 12 2009, 02:15 PM, said:

I mean... well, unless people are absolutely sure that I did this thing, I don't want anyone copying it... or making a deviation out of it, especially the Train Journey one, because I like that idea a lot and it is rather original and unique to me...

From the logo being displayed at trap17 footer. I realize that it is CC (by-sa) license and NOT CC(by-nd). CC(nd) prevents any derivative work from the original work.

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From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia....ommons_licenses
Attribution + ShareAlike (by-sa)
which means, a derivative work should also apply the same license to itself.

Attribution i.e credit can be given in many ways;
Others have to give attribution to "the best of their ability using the information available".
see wikipedia for details.

In reality, people usually don't sue for copyright violations unless and until it involves large sum of money. Best way to fight copyright violations is to make more and more people aware of your work. Let people know that it is your work.

Ah ... thank god .. good souls still live on earth

[anwiii]

my take on it is this. there are pros and cons just like with anything else. i don't know why you have your panties in a twist nameless. trap17 is public. anyone from anywhere can copy your posts and use them as their own. nothing is stopping anyone from doing that in the past....before the ccl. the ccl, in my opinion is more of an agreement than a license and i question it's legal validity on a forum where most of the original work is coming from the users of the forum and not the forum owners.

but....dude....grab your purse and relax a little because everything is going to be the same as how it always was. the license just gives permission to share your work and even edit it before sharing it. this is no different than before....legally or illegally in how people can always copy and paste across the net

i wouldn't delete any of your posts. what are you thinking?!?!? nobody from another website even knows who you are bud...why would you ever care to give up some of your copyrights? worse case scenario is they make money off your content but i think you are protected against any commercial use. but what if you weren't. who the @#$% cares. if you want your information private, don't post it publically unless you have a good lawyer and willing to take someone to court. BFD! all your commotion caused your panty hose to rip so just chill.

as far as your website, trap17 is not affiliated in any way with it and your content is yours and reproducing it without your permission would be illegal....although there are some court findings recently that are questioning the legalities of copying someone elses work for non commercial use. i am curious how that is going to unfold.....

BUT! you have no means to take anyone to court so when you host a website with original content, just go on the assumption that it will never be protected in the eyes of the law. this is how you have to look at things. now. if you were eventually making money off your website and had $5k to fight someone in court for stealing you content when they themselve were making money off it too, then by all means....take appropriate actions.

are you gettin' me yet? although there are laws which give you rights, it's hard to enforce those laws so you have to do things with a grain of salt. life is far from fair sometimes. maybe you should write about that in your next blog

i personally am all for sharing of information. god knows i have recieved more than i have gave on the internet. for that, i am gratefull and i don't mind giving back. but this so-called license wont really change much of anything because most people do whatever they want anyway....