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[Watermonkey]

Well trappers. I regret to inform you all that I can't post on a forum that doesn't allow me to edit my posts any time I wish and I've become aware that posts from other members have been disappearing, and no one's talking. I can't help but think my stay here is no longer welcome by Admin or staff, so I'm not likely to come back unless things do a major turn-around. I'd like to thank those moderators who have been friendly and helpful to me in the past, and to the others, well, don't quit your day jobs.

Mike, good luck with your degree. I hope you find yourself making a living doing what makes you smile.

Jim, I'll be seeing you around the corner. Keep up the good Mod work and don't sweat the pettyness.

Shree, I hope things continue to work out for you. Stay inside, away from that pollution and don't work so much all the time. It's not worth it if you can't have fun once in a while. And thanks for accommodating my requests over the years.

The rest of the people here, take good care of that which matters most to you.

WM

[anwiii]

i have to admit, i had the same thoughts of leaving after the edit feature was taken away. i actually gave it some hard drawn out thought because i am 100% against it even after understanding the flip side in why it was the edit feature was taken away.

my reasons were selfish. trap has been so good to me in the past. gave me a lot and i wasn't going to repay them by leaving. life is full of things we don't like but it doesn't mean we have to walk away from everything we don't like or we'd always be walking away...and that is no way to live, and i am not just talking about trap.

so i apologize for what i am about to say if you don't see the hidden meaning. if you are to leave because of an edit feature issue, then maybe trap didn't need you here to begin with.

i'm a little biased in my thinking because i see trap as more than just a post to host or just another forum. if others had the same intentions of leaving for the same reasons you hold, then trap would no longer exist. based on you're goodbyes, i think maybe trap had given you something more than just an edit feature too.

whether opa or the mods or the users here realize it or not yet, i see the beginning of a transition phase for trap. everyone has their own comfort levels and very few like change. so when we are confronted with small changes in life, we have to ask ourselves where our loyalties lie. if i was playing in a championship game and was substituted out for the rest of the game, i wouldn't like it. i wouldn't walk to the locker room to undress and go home either. i would sit on the sidlines, supporting my team knowing there is something greater than my own selfishness.

i hope you reconsider because i don't think any changes no or future changes should be taken personal or someone left with a feeling that they aren't wanted around because even if you may feel it, it just ain't true.

again, i had some serious thoughts of leaving myself after the decision was handed down....but i have made the decision to stick with trap during the good and the bad....and the ugly and although i have something to offer others here, others have something to offer me. there will always be two sides to a coin. some people are to stubborn or lazy to know that and to turn the coin over as proof of it.

i think out of all the regulars here, i needed the edit feature the most....especially for my bad grammer and misspellings...but mainly because i have so much going on in my little head, that my posts really do need the most editing. i can live with it as long as trap can live with some of my double posts which was always frowned upon in the past. if i have something to say, i am going to say it. rules or no rules. at least i said it.

i've seen people come and go. normally, the people who go have lives that take them away from trap as there is only so much time during a day. i have see a select few leave on principle. you are different than those who left on principle and didn't give trap a chance. you've been here a while so i would think that you would be able to see beyond an edit feature.

nobody is forcing you to leave, you leave on your own accord....and by the sad face at the end of your "last post", it makes me wonder what you are really leaving behind.....and i would guess you already know the answer to that....that's why you didn't leave your second to last post as your "last post"....

i hope you reconsider....

Watermonkey, on Jan 11 2010, 01:25 AM, said:

Well trappers. I regret to inform you all that I can't post on a forum that doesn't allow me to edit my posts any time I wish and I've become aware that posts from other members have been disappearing, and no one's talking. I can't help but think my stay here is no longer welcome by Admin or staff, so I'm not likely to come back unless things do a major turn-around. I'd like to thank those moderators who have been friendly and helpful to me in the past, and to the others, well, don't quit your day jobs.

Mike, good luck with your degree. I hope you find yourself making a living doing what makes you smile.

Jim, I'll be seeing you around the corner. Keep up the good Mod work and don't sweat the pettyness.

Shree, I hope things continue to work out for you. Stay inside, away from that pollution and don't work so much all the time. It's not worth it if you can't have fun once in a while. And thanks for accommodating my requests over the years.

The rest of the people here, take good care of that which matters most to you.

WM

[BuffaloHelp]

Watermonkey,

Please don't think that you are not welcomed here. Your contribution and presence surely made a difference in our forum. Trap17 has grown in a way that every activity from each member has made the difference--whether it's visible or hidden.

I wish you the best. The next forum place you decide to make your home will be lucky to have you as their member.

[webishqiptar]

Well I see that the feature of editing is something very useful. But you can also do without this. I guess that that are members with lots of posts, and if they are given the ability to edit and delete their posts, this forum should loose lots of its visitors and maybe loose power. I think all forums do this.

[deadmad7]

Ouch! It's really not that bad. I have never needed to edit any of my posts. Just spell check it using firefox, if you are worried about spelling. But, really after about 3 years, your quitting now?

[-Sky-]

Dam, WM, your leaving!? But..but, but..bah crap!

Ah, I wish you all the luck mate, and I hope you consider coming back soon. I must admit, your quality of posting is very good, and will miss you so much.

[Nameless_]

Why? Why you? I cannot imagine a life without you!!! PLEASE!!! Please, don't leave!!! It is so sad to see such a long membered, loyal to Trap17 person go, and I mean, it's only the edit thing!!! I happens to anyone! Why do you have to go just for that? I don't understand. I believe that it IS a very very bad inconvenience, but seriously, it is nothing more than that.

I makes my heart break to know that a loyal member that came to Trap17 three years ago is now leaving us. Please don't go!!! I don't understand why the edit thing means so much to you!!!! I am so sad now. Trap17 has just lost one very valuable member. All the new members coming here are all spammers and all that. Grrr.

Hopefully Trap17 won't become a spamming place for spammer.

[mahesh2k]

Sad to see old member leaving the party ... If you can manage do come back soon :|

[Baniboy]

I have to say that I have noticed these things too. The activity isn't like in the old days, and spammers seem to bite off T17 one by one... little bits at every time...
And now we can't edit our posts. This cuts me really deep(do a quick search, I bet most of my long posts have been edited at least once or twice) even tho I haven't been saying anything. Stupid Spammers!
The whole thing isn't working... what kind of impression does a forum with "a great community ready to help you anytime" give when you find out the edit feature isn't available after 10 minutes?

Apart from that, I see what you've written in the description:

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The last straw was the removal of "edit" function.

So there has been other things bothering you? What? I know the mods are evil, but that can't be the case?

Edited by Baniboy, 11 January 2010 - 05:36 PM.

[Watermonkey]

Pffft. It's the EVIL Mods I actually LIKE!

Here's the thing. Even if I stay around, and that's a big IF, unless I'm turned blue so I can edit my own posts, I'm not going to contribute to the intellectual value of this site any more. When I signed on three years ago, I was never under any impression that once my posts were made, they'd no longer be under my control or ownership. This web site is worth around $3M USD according to some web site my significant other was looking at the other day. I'd edit this later to correct that with the actual name of the website, but I won't be able to. But the point is, the worth of the site is dependent upon the intellectual contributions of its members who, in return, receive hosting credit and other rewards. This is all fine and dandy, but I'm not working for some evil corporation under a contract that says anything I create becomes the property of the company. Further, not being hosted, I'm not looking for the credit that others look for. Seems like I should be able to transfer my rewards to someone who is, but that's another issue for another thread. I'm probably going to start a blog somewhere or something where I can build up the value of my own site. So much to say, so little time...

[anwiii]

i have a similar issue that i canot be in agreement on either. i never really minded the creative commons license when it was implimented....although i do feel it's more appropriate for someone who owned their own site and not speak for the whole user base. BUT! when they took away the edit feature(sorry, 10 minutes doesn't cut it)....that with the combination of the ccl is very disturbing to me. THAT was when i had to give some serious thought to staying or leaving because like i said before, i am 100% against it. i am not here to promote or help promote other peoples websites. once a post is published, it's public and shared information anyway. whatever....

i am not going to let it bother me too much since it's not really directly hurting me. it's just the principle of the whole situation. but i have chosen to stay despite.

i have been a long time internet user for 25 years and for most of this internet life, i was never able to edit CRAP in the past from other sites or bbs's etc. i was also always under the impression that one you post something on a site you do not own or control, you automatically give up some of your copyright rights willingly. there was debates about when a user left a site and wanted all his information posted, deleted. it doesn't work that way. this is why users need to be responsible and know the laws when they post anything publically....ccl or no ccl. BUT, trap, i believe is exceeding authority to give ccl to anyones copywrites. at least it's implied they are doing this. i don't think this is legal....so with that and the combination of getting rid of the edit feature, i had to do some long hard thinking

i also don't think imlimenting certain changes will help promote trap....but... if people aren't in agreement with the changes like me, they have every right to leave and not post. it's unfortuate for trap because i am in agreement with ski when he said we are losing a valuable poster. i cannot think of one thing that these small changes will help trap in the long run, but i CAN see how they can hurt trap.

mycents were never an influence to my decision to stay since i cannot be bought off. like i said....i have things i would like to offer and the members and staff have already offered me alot. so it's the combination of sharing and giving and caring i i think personally outweighs the changes i am in disagreement on. that's just me. some people wont have that same thinking....

Watermonkey, on Jan 11 2010, 02:28 PM, said:

Pffft. It's the EVIL Mods I actually LIKE!

Here's the thing. Even if I stay around, and that's a big IF, unless I'm turned blue so I can edit my own posts, I'm not going to contribute to the intellectual value of this site any more. When I signed on three years ago, I was never under any impression that once my posts were made, they'd no longer be under my control or ownership. This web site is worth around $3M USD according to some web site my significant other was looking at the other day. I'd edit this later to correct that with the actual name of the website, but I won't be able to. But the point is, the worth of the site is dependent upon the intellectual contributions of its members who, in return, receive hosting credit and other rewards. This is all fine and dandy, but I'm not working for some evil corporation under a contract that says anything I create becomes the property of the company. Further, not being hosted, I'm not looking for the credit that others look for. Seems like I should be able to transfer my rewards to someone who is, but that's another issue for another thread. I'm probably going to start a blog somewhere or something where I can build up the value of my own site. So much to say, so little time...

[Quatrux]

I also don't like the thing that I can't edit my post, but I guess I need to get used to it, also it seems that in those 10 minutes I'm able to edit only once..

But at least it's good that from 2 minutes, the time limit was moved to 10 minutes. This feature as we all know was removed due to spammers/cheaters wanting to get more myCents..

[Nameless_]

Actually, this sucks a lot now. If I am going to really go with the change of domain on my blog and everything that anwii recommends... then seriously, this is a big problem for me. I won't be able to edit all the backlinks that I have here on Trap17, merely because I cannot edit any of my posts at all.

Unless I can get a mod to change it for me instead though.

[anwiii]

maybe they can get rid of all your spam while they're at it

seriously though.....you had your blog a lot longer that when the edit feature was changed so that's your own fault if there was any related content that you wanted to insert a relative link.

that's a pretty cheesy reason to be upset. you have your whole future ahead of you. i'm sure not editing anything from the little time you've been here wont be that big of a deal for ya and your future success....sheeeeeesh!

Nameless_, on Jan 13 2010, 05:16 AM, said:

Actually, this sucks a lot now. If I am going to really go with the change of domain on my blog and everything that anwii recommends... then seriously, this is a big problem for me. I won't be able to edit all the backlinks that I have here on Trap17, merely because I cannot edit any of my posts at all.

Unless I can get a mod to change it for me instead though.
Nameless_

Edited by anwiii, 13 January 2010 - 01:07 PM.

[Soviet Rathe]

:/

rawrr.....
You make rathe sad

I understand what you're saying about the post belonging to you but stick around! I'm sure this is just temporary, they might go with my idea, which is the best thing they can do

Soviet_Rathe said:

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Simple solution.

Ok so your using that mod I mentioned earlier correct? ok the best way is to edit the user groups. make a new default group for new members and edit the permissions for that mod to affect that group. then in that group set it to promote the member after they reach maybe... 150 posts. simple! new members with less then the posts defined will not be able to edit after the time set.

[Watermonkey]

Baniboy, on Jan 11 2010, 09:33 AM, said:

So there has been other things bothering you?

Well now that you mention, there are lots of things bothering me but I'll hold off mentioning the really nasty ones for now. Let's just say I'm glad I'm not posting for Mycents. Too mysterious and secretive. There are no clear parameters explaining exaclty how many words or characters earn a dollar. WTF? Members keep asking for clarity and this is the latest response I saw on the Mycent thread:

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There is no set amount. The number of myCENTs you will get per post and topic depend on the length and quality of what you have written. A longer post that is written clearly and uses the right BBCodes will earn more than a one-line post with no punctuation or anything. I think the maximum you can earn for any one post is 100 myCENTs ($1) but I am not totally sure on that.

Even the mods don't know for sure. If it’s a question of spammer paranoia then don’t punish long-term members by leaving them in the dark on something so vital to maintaining their accounts. Saying that posts that are “long and quality” earn more money doesn’t tell me anything. It just leaves the door wide open to speculation and potential abuse of authority. In other words, members are confused and powerless while the Mycents system remains some shadowy overlord you better not piss off if you want to keep your hosting account active. Actual people are sitting on their fat butts somewhere going through each and every post and assigning mycents based on their subjective interpretation of your posts. Can you believe that? That's just stunning to me to find that out.

[anwiii]

so that's a reason to leave? GO AWAY! you are concerned about mycent and how we are paid out? TRAP17 has always been fair whether we know it or not. i have over $250 in credits right now and i am not even concerned with how much i make because i know i will always make more than what i need. you may be a valuable poster, but you lack other things. yea, i would wish there was some pinned topic explaining how much we can actually earn, but there isn't. BOO HOO! trap never scammed anyone and i STILL want to know how you feel cheated where you are gonna post publicly that you are going to leave. my advice to you is to grab your purse. there is nothing personal about how trap17 operates and if you have a problem....just leave.....or post specifically about your personal problems which involves trap's business practices so we can address them.

Watermonkey, on Jan 14 2010, 08:07 PM, said:

Well now that you mention, there are lots of things bothering me but I'll hold off mentioning the really nasty ones for now. Let's just say I'm glad I'm not posting for Mycents. Too mysterious and secretive. There are no clear parameters explaining exaclty how many words or characters earn a dollar. WTF? Members keep asking for clarity and this is the latest response I saw on the Mycent thread:


Even the mods don't know for sure. If it’s a question of spammer paranoia then don’t punish long-term members by leaving them in the dark on something so vital to maintaining their accounts. Saying that posts that are “long and quality” earn more money doesn’t tell me anything. It just leaves the door wide open to speculation and potential abuse of authority. In other words, members are confused and powerless while the Mycents system remains some shadowy overlord you better not piss off if you want to keep your hosting account active. Actual people are sitting on their fat butts somewhere going through each and every post and assigning mycents based on their subjective interpretation of your posts. Can you believe that? That's just stunning to me to find that out.

[Nameless_]

Well, I suppose you can just assume that Trap17 pays out with punctuation, length of posts, and BBcoding. That is what I assume. But really, many paid to post sites don't tell you as well. That is their secret. That is why some people earn more and some people less without even knowing it. I mean, if most Paid to Post sites don't tell you, then does that mean you are going to quit? I think not.

To me, I don't think it matters whether Trap17 tell you how much you earn anyway. So far, it's taking $10 of me a year for domain purposes, but like anwii, I have nearly $250, and it is more than what I need. trap17 has become more like a place to learn, and a place to get suggestions instead of a place to earn myCENTS. I agree that Trap17 may sometimes seem mysterious, but if it works, then it's fine for me. It's no scam. You and I both know that, so I guess we can put our trust in Trap17.

Either way... I will try to convince you to stay, but really, they are just words on a screen. It is up to you. But let me tell you this: I will still be sad to see you go.

[mahesh2k]

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Actual people are sitting on their fat butts somewhere going through each and every post and assigning mycents based on their subjective interpretation of your posts. Can you believe that? That's just stunning to me to find that out.

I doubt this is the case here. MyBB/Vb/SMF have points system MOD based on the number of characters. So with each reply they allocate some points to member replies or threads. This mod is tweaked in IPB(or maybe earlier credits mod) and used to give mycents to members.

I doubt that there are forums that manually allocate points this way for hosting. Not even trap17 can do that. Mycents here update in 10-20 minute time. There are some traffic activity on trap17 and even that period mycents take same 10-20 minute update time. This is because mycent server/script is in sync with xistosupprt billing area.

So in this case your assumption of manual mycent allocation is just another possibility and there is no proof unless admins back on it. I don't want people to get upset with mycents as they are working fine for lot of people and we have secured our hosting plans that way. I wonder if any other hosting service offers such professional support and quality in exchange for paid to post option. Let's not ruin this service with some one-sided assumption.

One point where most of people agree with (and even i'm) is about post editing. I want that option available as well. I often make typos and unless someone quotes me i can't figure out where i was wrong and right in sentences. I'm no editing my posts anyway but still that option is handy when we seriously make some opinion and want to edit our post in future so that some old thread bumpers don't quote on that posts. So i guess we do need "Edit" button back. I don't know how it was damaging mycents or trap17.

[Nameless_]

I agree with you there mahesh2k. It just got me wondering. Did Opaque did that just because I made the Creative Commons thread and wanted to take down three posts of mine from Trap17? I'm terribly sorry to everyone if it was me that make Opaque did that, but I seriously think that Opaque should really give us the right to delete our own content.

Seriously, if Opaque really did that just because of that thread. Then I am really really angry. (angry smiley here. I don't know how to put that in).

Grr. I mean. Seriously. I understand if Opaque doesn't want us to edit our posts because of the myCENTS problem. But can't we delete our content? I mean, we'll just get negative mycents and stuff!!! So? It's not like we are getting extra myCENTS from deleting our content!!!

GRR.

[Soviet Rathe]

I think we should all just chill. The edit feature isn't a big deal to me. but you know Opaque. he's a little slow He is very busy and as you know, he is the ONLY one who edits the forum, so putting that limit on the edit feature was a fast way of fixing the problem until he had a bit more time to deal with it in detail. remember what you're getting from these forums. and remember that you're getting it FREE. so stop %&#$ and be happy.

really... I highly doubt your myCENTs are being manually credited to you. if it was, how would people abuse the system? and that's why the edit feature has been taken away.
I think the reason they can't tell us the exact way myCENTs are credited is because it's able to detect a good quality post on many factors, so there isn't a certain amount it gives.

so CHILL, this post goes out to everyone not just WaterMonkey

Edited by Soviet Rathe, 15 January 2010 - 07:59 PM.

[truefusion]

Watermonkey, on Jan 14 2010, 09:07 PM, said:

Well now that you mention, there are lots of things bothering me but I'll hold off mentioning the really nasty ones for now. Let's just say I'm glad I'm not posting for Mycents. Too mysterious and secretive. There are no clear parameters explaining exaclty how many words or characters earn a dollar. WTF? Members keep asking for clarity and this is the latest response I saw on the Mycent thread:

There is really no reason to specify any exact amount. If you want to figure out how much a certain post earned you, you can do the math: keep track of your earning before your post, and subtract it from your new balance after your post when the system passed by your account and made the adjustment. If you do not take the time to do the math, then it can be argued that you really weren't that much interested as anything you have said implies. But you should also note that you will notice a decrease in myCENTs earning the higher your post count gets, therefore making disclosure of any exact amounts unnecessary even more, and therefore requiring more from you. However, obviously there is a limit to how much is reduced, for you can't be earning nothing for posting here. Given that i have over 2000 posts, it should interest me more than anyone below my post count as to when the reducing stops. However, there has been no reason for me to be interested in it, as i am managing quite well with all that is in place.

Watermonkey, on Jan 14 2010, 09:07 PM, said:

Even the mods don't know for sure. If it’s a question of spammer paranoia then don’t punish long-term members by leaving them in the dark on something so vital to maintaining their accounts. Saying that posts that are “long and quality” earn more money doesn’t tell me anything. It just leaves the door wide open to speculation and potential abuse of authority. In other words, members are confused and powerless while the Mycents system remains some shadowy overlord you better not piss off if you want to keep your hosting account active. Actual people are sitting on their fat butts somewhere going through each and every post and assigning mycents based on their subjective interpretation of your posts. Can you believe that? That's just stunning to me to find that out.

To clarify, and unless i'm mistaken, the maximum earning for any post is $10. Again, disclosure is unnecessary when the users themselves can figure certain things out through observation. Yeah, the amount given is subject to OpaQue's interpretation of what will not only keep members posting, but also not drain Trap17 or Xisto out of business. Ever since the system allowed users to "purchase" domain names, a lot of people mostly sign up just for that, but domain names don't pay themselves.

Nameless_, on Jan 15 2010, 03:48 AM, said:

Grr. I mean. Seriously. I understand if Opaque doesn't want us to edit our posts because of the myCENTS problem. But can't we delete our content? I mean, we'll just get negative mycents and stuff!!! So? It's not like we are getting extra myCENTS from deleting our content!!!

Assume you started a topic which got over 10 replies from others (which shouldn't be hard, as you have plenty of those already), and those replies contained useful information and were good quality posts. Assume you had the power to delete that topic and therefore did delete it. What happens, therefore? You lose the myCENTs you earned for that topic. But that isn't the problem, for the responses to the topic also get deleted, and now we have members losing income for no valid reason. Likewise, if someone responding to a post of yours in some random topic, and you deleted your post (where your post is not the topic's first post), the person would in turn appear to be talking to you but in a way that appears that they've either posted in the wrong topic or are talking to themselves. That would be awkward.

[Watermonkey]

truefusion, on Jan 15 2010, 12:23 PM, said:

To clarify, and unless i'm mistaken, the maximum earning for any post is $10. Again, disclosure is unnecessary when the users themselves can figure certain things out through observation. Yeah, the amount given is subject to OpaQue's interpretation of what will not only keep members posting, but also not drain Trap17 or Xisto out of business. Ever since the system allowed users to "purchase" domain names, a lot of people mostly sign up just for that, but domain names don't pay themselves.

(My point is confirmed: Even the Mods (at least this Mod) don't know the mycents system.)
I'm just going to respond to this because I don't want to get so far out of focus as to be scattered and nonsensical.
Yes. You ARE mistaken, and contradicting yourself all in one paragraph. The max award per post is $1 or 100 "mycents". Figuring things out through observation is what has led the conversation to this point. I know, first hand, that a simple thread starter containing an initial post of fewer than 250 characters, nothing out of the ordinary or earth-shattering, has generated a reward of 100 mycents. I know, from first hand observation, that a single post, such as this one, that is much longer and contains some four or five syllable words generates far less than that. You say the amount given is subject to OpaQue's interpretation... thus completely and totally agreeing with and confirming what I said previously. But to add to what you said, any member whose name appears in RED has this ability. You would be mistaken to put all that awesome power in the hands of one person.

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There is really no reason to specify any exact amount.

What kind of barter system is this? Time is a commodity. And if I'm trading time for money I need to know what to charge per hour. Is this is official policy or your personal opinion? If the former, then why doesn’t admin just say so in the Mycent thread (or here) instead of letting members knock their heads up against a brick wall? I’ve learned more about Mycents right here in my final thread than the hundred some posts in the Mycents thread. But - if this is just your personal opinion I’ll write it off like I write off everything motivated by blind, unquestioning subservience to imposed hierarchy.

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If you do not take the time to do the math, then it can be argued that you really weren't that much interested as anything you have said implies.

Any idea who would make that argument? Not any one I respect, I assure you. Since I don’t have a hosted account, I can’t very well do the “math” now can I. You are missing the whole point. I’m not the only one pissed off by this cryptic accounting system and it's only one of many issues leading to my decision to vacate this place.

[truefusion]

Watermonkey, on Jan 15 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

(My point is confirmed: Even the Mods (at least this Mod) don't know the mycents system.)

(We did, after all, not code the thing.)

Watermonkey, on Jan 15 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

Yes. You ARE mistaken, and contradicting yourself all in one paragraph. The max award per post is $1 or 100 "mycents".

If that were true, then you'd have to explain how the myCENT counter can enter a "ready" state, which exceeds 100 myCENTs.

Watermonkey, on Jan 15 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

Figuring things out through observation is what has led the conversation to this point. I know, first hand, that a simple thread starter containing an initial post of fewer than 250 characters, nothing out of the ordinary or earth-shattering, has generated a reward of 100 mycents. I know, from first hand observation, that a single post, such as this one, that is much longer and contains some four or five syllable words generates far less than that.

I did mention that the higher your post count is, the less you earn. But even i with over 2000 posts can earn over 50 myCENTs for big posts. There are some members here who have earned more while having less than 1000 posts than i have with 2000 posts.

Watermonkey, on Jan 15 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

You say the amount given is subject to OpaQue's interpretation... thus completely and totally agreeing with and confirming what I said previously.

I did say, "yeah." But you have yet to show that the current decision is a bad thing. If you believe it is badly implemented, then how would you implement it? When someone speaks against something, that implies that they feel it can be better, usually following with a suggestion, as wrong implies that there is an opposite good.

Watermonkey, on Jan 15 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

But to add to what you said, any member whose name appears in RED has this ability.

What ability? Seriously, i couldn't figure out any ability from what you have said.

Watermonkey, on Jan 15 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

What kind of barter system is this? Time is a commodity. And if I'm trading time for money I need to know what to charge per hour. Is this is official policy or your personal opinion? If the former, then why doesn’t admin just say so in the Mycent thread (or here) instead of letting members knock their heads up against a brick wall? I’ve learned more about Mycents right here in my final thread than the hundred some posts in the Mycents thread. But - if this is just your personal opinion I’ll write it off like I write off everything motivated by blind, unquestioning subservience to imposed hierarchy.

I am not sure what you mean by "what to charge per hour," as you don't charge the system for anything. But if we are going to talk about policy, where is it written that those who sign up to the system are to know the exact amount earned for their posts? Nevertheless, as mentioned, a little basic math is all that is required—hence why you wouldn't expect people to complain about being left in the dark concerning how many myCENTs they earn per post. But it seems odd to only mention how much one earns for a post. Rather, if anyone is going to mention such a thing, it would be more practical to talk about whether or not you feel that how much you did earn was fair for what you posted.

You've talked about potential abuse of authority, but the keyword is "potential." Xisto has more to lose than you have with your time. Indeed, you may leave whenever you want and for whatever reason—you haven't signed any contract pinning you down. The system will work the way it was designed to work. People sign up to a service because they want to make use of that service. If they didn't think that the service was good, they will most likely not sign up for the service. But obviously these forums are more than just for obtaining web hosting. If one was not using the service before deciding to leave, then mentioning the service as one of the reasons for leaving seems irrelevant.

Watermonkey, on Jan 15 2010, 09:26 PM, said:

Any idea who would make that argument? Not any one I respect, I assure you. Since I don’t have a hosted account, I can’t very well do the “math” now can I. You are missing the whole point. I’m not the only one pissed off by this cryptic accounting system and it's only one of many issues leading to my decision to vacate this place.

You are capable of doing the math. You wouldn't be able to do the math if you weren't capable of receiving myCENTs (or if you didn't now how to count); but you're still signed up to the system and therefore still earning myCENTs for posting here—you don't have to first be hosted to earn. Also, i haven't seen anyone else but you complain about not knowing the exact amount earned per post. If there are more like you say there are, then they have been hiding in the shadows. What i have seen, however, are things like, "Why aren't my myCENTs showing up?" "Why are myCENTs still in the 'ready' state?" et cetera, which have been responded to and aren't necessarily complaints.

[Watermonkey]

You never answered my question, "TrueFusion". Do the personal opinions you’ve spouted off here represent OFFICIAL xisto policy? If they do, then add this to my growing list of reasons for leaving. If they don’t, then stop wasting my time.