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[GottferDamnt]

Hi !

I don t know if we must authorize the gay marriage but I know that we don't must base our decision on a ideology but on economic context !
It's a human right to have a different sexual orientation !
Otherwise It's proving that a child of a gay couple won't become necessarly also gay...

Bye !

[Experience]

Hi, I would probably support gay marriage just because of the fact that if you love someone, then you can't help it. It doesnt matter if its the opposite sex or not. As long as you love somone you should be allowed to marry them. It makes no sense that people tell other people who to love and who not to love.

[rejected]

I don't approve of gay marriage, it's a sin, and it actually disgusts me. Yea, to some people it's acceptable, but what the hell do christians think when they're gay? It says it's a sin in The Bible, but there are Christians who are gay. What would your kids think if you were gay? I'd be humiliated.

[been.SWANK]

What would you kids think of you if you're a narrow minded bigot? Kids want one thing in life - and that is something any person can give a child, despite that person's sexual orientation, colour, etc...

Bigot's disgust me.

[byrdhouse]

no9t9, on Feb 20 2005, 09:50 AM, said:

@byrdhouse
I agree with a lot of the things you wrote.  In fact, in some of the posts, I  talk about how the meaning of marriage has been change from the original meaning.  Because marriage doesn't mean as much today, people say why not let gays do it?  I say why allow it to degrade further?

Also many many, posts say if they love each other then let them do it.  Even if it's wrong?  I put forth the "multiple" wives (or even husbands for that matter) and even incestuous love/marriage.  apparantly many people who posted in this thread accept this as well.

If there ARE indeed many people out there who are willing to support incestuous and other WRONG forms of love and marriage..  To support something that is wrong is actually worse than committing the wrongful act.  Why not support serial killers?  They obviously LOVE what they do.  If they love it why not let them do it?  Just because someone wants something or loves something doesn't mean they should get or do it.

I would really hate to see what the world will be like in 100 years.

All I can say is THANK YOU for your comments and AMEN!

Byrdhouse

[mzwebfreak]

no9t9, on Feb 21 2005, 12:32 AM, said:

typical of people to ASSUME that when I say religion, I mean christian or catholic.. or even GOD.  There are other religions in the world that at are THOUSANDS of years older than the bible.  They say gay marriage is wrong too.

I've already talked about this.  Individual/group rights are not guarenteed if they impact OTHER people's rights.  For example, I have a right of free speech but I may not at certain times when it is deemed that it is against the public good.  In other words censorship.  Are you telling me that KKK and hate propoganda is allowed because it is in the constitution that we have free speech?  Get real.

To be perfectly honest, from reading your other posts in this thread, I don't think that you have any genuine interest in doing anything other than inciting people to anger, since you constantly are insulting people who wish to take opinions that differ from yours. You keep saying that there are other religions older than the bible that prohibit gay marriage...if that is the case, show me where I can find such information and I will gladly conceded to your expertice. If not, don't go shoving vague assertions in my face.

You asked if the KKK and hate propaganda is allowed- yes it is. It's not something a lot of people like, but free speech is free speech. What do you think Farenheit 9-11 was if not hate propaganda against the President? It's allowed because this country was built on allowing ANYONE to talk about ANYTHING regardless of how others feeling. Now, when you talk about it not being allowed for the public good, yes, cases such as extremists picketting abortion clinics is monitored to make sure they don't overstep their boundaries. But, as is mentioned in this month's That's Outrageous section of Reader's Digest, there is a guy who posted security problems (in photos and text) that were present while the Republican National Convention was in NYC. Was that dangerous? Yes Was that wrong? Many would think so Was that something that was not free speech? Technically no...New York State said they cannot take it down unless there is clearly definied danger....so, that means people have the freedom to say what they want.

[byrdhouse]

been.SWANK, on Feb 21 2005, 11:15 AM, said:

This "issue" always seems to be brought up somewhere.  And quite frankly, I really don't get the big deal surrounding gay marriages.  "Ohh big deal, 2 women or 2 men want to get married" - When someone makes a valid point about how this is a big deal, let me know - I'm still waiting.

Byrdhouse,

I respect your beliefs.  I'm a catholic, but not a very good one.  In fact, I don't go to church, I do drugs, I drink alcohol, I party most weekends, I have sex with other women, I have sex with men (some times, not often), I swear but at the end of the day, I'm as loving, loyal, honest and caring as I can be.  I don't believe in "God", I don't have faith in words written by someone I don't even know, I can't see, hear, touch, smell etc....  I grew up in a world where men took advantage of me when I was young, so naturally I turned to the softer gender and started developing feelings for women.

Am I gay? Am I bi? Am I just doing this because I had a *BLEEP* child hood?  I don't hold the answers, none of us do. But at the end of the day, we lead our own lives, with our own choices to make. 

A gay person, doesn't have those same free choices everyone else gets.  Neither did "black" people, or people who weren't considered the 'norm'.  We live in a world filled wit contradicitons all because their are too many people out there saying "No, this is what is right and that is what is wrong".  Instead of people actually saying "Hey, we're all the same.  We all bleed red.  We all have feelings.  We all have emotions. We all have a heart."  Too many chiefs, too little indians.

You quoted Genesis 1:27-28.  "be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it."  Meaning "have kids."  Well, what about those women out there who cannot bare children?  How are they to be "fruitful and increase in number"?  Considering this is "Gods Word", I guess God forgot to write about that one - huh?  So take a "normal" heterosexual couple who cannot increase in number and then what do you call them? 

Are they sinners?

As I said, whoever wrote the bible sure must have been bored enough to write a book filled of contradictions.

But hey, that's just my opinion.  I still stand for freedom of choice.

Swank, thanks for your comments, unfortunately I'll have to address them when I have more time, ok?

Take Care,

Byrdhouse

[no9t9]

been.SWANK, on Feb 22 2005, 11:08 AM, said:

What would you kids think of you if you're a narrow minded bigot?  Kids want one thing in life - and that is something any person can give a child, despite that person's sexual orientation, colour, etc...

Bigot's disgust me.

ignorance disgusts me. to call people a bigot because they hold opposing views is simply wrong. Most people who are against gay marriages are not against gays. You don't seem to understand that. So, if I am a man and I want to play in the WNBA, should I be allowed to? According to you, I should... otherwise it is bigotry. Don't bother considering that the organization is for women only...let people who couldn't make the NBA go play in the WNBA. The people in the WNBA must be bigots.

arguing with only insults doesn't make much of a conversation. And don't even talk about kids in a gay relationship. that is a whole other conversation.

[no9t9]

mzwebfreak, on Feb 22 2005, 11:59 AM, said:

To be perfectly honest, from reading your other posts in this thread, I don't think that you have any genuine interest in doing anything other than inciting people to anger, since you constantly are insulting people who wish to take opinions that differ from yours.  You keep saying that there are other religions older than the bible that prohibit gay marriage...if that is the case, show me where I can find such information and I will gladly conceded to your expertice.  If not, don't go shoving vague assertions in my face.

I am not insulting their opinions. I am razzing on their ability to hold a conversation. There is a difference. I can't help it if people don't know how to conduct a proper arguement instead of saying the same damn thing over and over again. How many times has the stupid arguement of LOVE been used in this thread?? Besides, this is the damn VENT.. don't read it or post here if you are offended.

As for the religion thing, you go look for it. I am not here to educate you. Judasim and Hinduism are against gays and older than christianity and catholicism.

mzwebfreak, on Feb 22 2005, 11:59 AM, said:

It's allowed because this country was built on allowing ANYONE to talk about ANYTHING regardless of how others feeling.  Now, when you talk about it not being allowed for the public good, yes, cases such as extremists picketting abortion clinics is monitored to make sure they don't overstep their boundaries. 

first you capitalize and bold your statement about how anyone and anything can be said. Then you go on to say that you have to make sure you don't overstep your boundaries.... LOL... having boundaries clearly indicates that complete freedom of speech DOES NOT EXIST.

But, I am not here to argue freedom of speech. My original point was that rights are not automatically granted to people if they infringe on others rights.. Your right to freedom of speech is not a given if you step on other peoples rights while you excersise freedom of speech. You yourself agree that this is true. So, I don't see how you writing all that crap is an intelligent reponse to the discussion.

[AbstracT]

I'm most definitely for gay marriage simply because it's how they feel.. Who can say heterosexaulity is the only right way to live? God gave us free will to do as we wish. We only think hetersexuality is the right way of life because that's the norm for us...Some people have different tastes...Those differences distinguishes how diverse our culture is in the world. I hope when people decide if gay marriage should be allowed they base their decision on not their preferences ot belief in right or wrong..but on another person's happiness. I hope that makes sense.