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[OpaQue]

Hi Friends.

We all know we are SUPERIOR to computers .. at-least now, we can confidently say it as we do not have robots yet who can teach our kids creative drawing.

But ever WONDERED why is this Possible?

When computers have excelled with Processing Power and Memory, still why they are inferior compared to Humans?

From a CODERs perspective, this is what I feel. We Rule the Domain of 1. Computers need 2 digits to ANALYZE. Computers area of understanding only lies in LOGIC. Therefore, I feel computers are missing some dimension. Anyone making sense what I m trying to say?

[web_designer]

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From a CODERs perspective, this is what I feel. We Rule the Domain of 1. Computers need 2 digits to ANALYZE. Computers area of understanding only lies in LOGIC. Therefore, I feel computers are missing some dimension. Anyone making sense what I m trying to say?

i agree, we made the computer, we inserted the rules in its CPU, we gave it orders on how to deal with problems and errors and how to analysis them and fix them. therefor, no matter how much computers have an excellent and fast way of fixing everything but still follow our orders.

the most important side or dimension that computer miss is the instinction, human sometimes depend on their instinction to fix problems and find solutions but computer miss that part, which makes it less power and ability of creation than us.

[CodeX]

I am also a programmer, and I can tell you at least one way that the human brain is... more efficient than computers.

The human brain is remarkable at recognizing patterns. An example of this is image recognition. If you have a folder on your computer with a thousand pictures and you look at them one after the other it would take the average human only a split second to determine if the current image contained a person... or a tree... or any other object. This same exact task is REMARKABLY difficult for a computer (or, more accurately, for a computer programmer to implement in software). It's not even a matter of time, like... it's not just that a computer is much slower at this task... it's that it often simply cannot do it correctly. Image recognition technology is advancing, and I think specifically facial recognition has gotten pretty darn good actually... but that is only because programmers have been working on solutions to this problem for a long time. The problem is, for every type of object we want to be able to identify in software we will have to spend a comparable amount of time to develop that solution. So, just because we have facial recognition working well doesn't mean that... for example... chair recognition would also work with the same solution.

The nature of this difficulty, I believe, is the sequential nature of processing that computers use. A human looks at an image and can analyze the entire image as a whole entity all at once. A computer program can only examine a single pixel color at a time. Perhaps with the growth of parallel processing we will figure out how to overcome this difficulty, but it will certainly require a significant shift in the way algorithms are written, which will take time.

[magnafrost]

Yes true .. The main difference between humans and computers lies in being able to relate. For instance, if you teach a kid that a dog is an animal, he'll be able to extend/ extrapolate it and say that a cat is also an animal. But computers cant do that. they are "precise" . The match needs to be exact. For instance, if they were to compare bears with humans and dogs, they'll probably say humans are closer to bears than dogs are. Thats why ppl are trying to make it more fuzzy these days. If the fuzziness that computers can interpret were to multiply many million times over, they might one day be reach our level of intelligence. But they'll never catch us up because we are evolving too!

[Baniboy]

Well, what do you exactly mean by smart or smarter? The ability to process information, calculate stuff fast? Computers already beat us in that. But by smart you mean being able to imitate human behavior when making decisions and imitating the reasons, which we don't know of yet. They would've to imitate our mood, the balance of hormones, the emotional side of us completely, to be like us. So, if computers are based on logic, and the programmers programmed the rules for them to follow, what is the problem with letting the brotha do the some decisions? Because they can't imitate our feelings, and our feelings aren't the ones that lead to logical decisions. But really, opaque, what did you mean by "smarter" in the title? Intelligence is hard to define, but smartness, although a synonym and comes close to the meaning, I think has a narrower meaning.

[kobra500]

Computers do not think it the way we do and they don't have an illogical or irrational side. Computer do what they are programmed to do, and therefore, are only as good as the humans who built and wrote the software; A computer is superior to humans in many ways. They can calculate maths that would take us hours in seconds but they cannot do things that we cannot do because someone has to always teach or tell the computer how to do it. Even "thinking computers" are limited to basing their decisions on the criteria that humans give them to base decisions on and a script that is completely random is all an impossibility (as far as I know). Computers do not suffer from the same weaknesses as well do (emotions and irrationality) the things that makes us human and I suppose our weaknesses are also our strengths as a species. The trouble computers have is that they are replication, they are like psychopaths that emulate emotions. They can only ever emulate thinking and then only to the degree that they were programmed.

[The Simpleton]

Computers can truly never be smarter than humans, but they are definitely smarter than us in just one aspect - computing. Humans have the raw power required to calculate as fast as computers but hardly anyone is able to use their brains to the fullest potential. So except in that one aspect of computing (i.e. calculating), computers are inferior to humans in every way, and it shall continue to be so for a very long time.

[rpgsearcherz]

OpaQue, on 04 June 2010 - 08:22 PM, said:

Hi Friends.

We all know we are SUPERIOR to computers .. at-least now, we can confidently say it as we do not have robots yet who can teach our kids creative drawing.

But ever WONDERED why is this Possible?

When computers have excelled with Processing Power and Memory, still why they are inferior compared to Humans?

From a CODERs perspective, this is what I feel. We Rule the Domain of 1. Computers need 2 digits to ANALYZE. Computers area of understanding only lies in LOGIC. Therefore, I feel computers are missing some dimension. Anyone making sense what I m trying to say?

I completely understand where you're coming from in your theory but I disagree with it. You're completely right about the fact we have the ability to analyze and PC's do not (some would consider AI as "analyzing" but still it's not as powerful as the human brain), but you're missing a very important factor: Speed and ease of learning.

Think about it like this (two scenarios, one for a human and one for a PC):

Human

For a human to learn something the following must happen:

1) They must somehow gain the knowledge (reading, hearing, seeing, feeling, etc. We have many ways we learn things)
2) They must then find a way to store the information -- short-term memory is very short, and it takes a lot of stimuli to translate into long-term memory. Due to this, 99% of what you learn is not retained
3) They must then find a way to recall the information. We've all been through that situation where you "remember" something but it's "on the tip of your tongue," right? That's because it's stored but you're unable to recall it.

Computer

Okay, now for a computer the steps are a little similar, but also different:

1) They must gain the information (by programming, of course)
2) They must store the information (this is done by clicking "save" and saving the information -- there is no long-term/short-term memory needed)
3) They need a way to recall the information (this is done by the OS, so all saved information can be read in one way or another).




So in that sense the computers learn a lot faster than humans. Now to take it a step further:


If a human wanted to learn to be proficient at 500 subjects, it would take more than one lifetime due to how long it takes to learn and commit memory. A computer, however, can have millions of people all submitting their information (or programming) together and has the ability to store all of it and recall all of it. Due to this, I say that computers are in fact smarter than humans, when you are talking about informational-knowledge. If you are talking about it in terms of "street-smarts," however, humans are due to our ability to analyze (as you stated as well). Of course, there is a computer (robot) smarter than humans. His name is Johnny Five (from the movie Short Circuit, ).

[MarkBenson]

Human brain is undoubted more superior than brain.We are creator of computer and creators are always powerful than creation.Computer has brain and it is made of few commands given by human when human has natural brain to think or to do anything.

[sheepdog]

Comparing the intelligence of a human to a computer is a lot like comparing a rock to a seed.
Put a rock on the ground and all you have is something to stub you toe on. Something that never changes, unless you hit it hard enough to break it, that will just lay there nearly forever.

Put a seed in the ground and before you know it, you will have a wonderful plant growing, one that could feed you, or give your grandchildren shade to have a picnic in, or one that will give you a rash. Irriguardless of the outcome of the seed, it will change and develope into something.

I really don't even see computers as having intelligence. All they really are is a big fling cabinett that people put things in. They are strictly storage. They only have what people put in them. Granted it's probably a lot easier to find something in a computer than a crambe full file cabinette, but that's just due to better organization in the computer.