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[web_designer]

the hidden truth INSIDE every truth

yes i do believe that there is always a truth hidden inside every truth in our life. may be this is not familiar for some but it is one of the facts in life. to consider ourselves as honest and fair persons, we should ALWAYS dig really deep, and search hard to find the truth. the real truth, not what we hear or assume and sometimes not what we see by our own eyes. 

i learned that long time ago, i shouldn't take what i heard or what i see as the pure fact, but should always try my best to find the reasons that are hidden behind every behavior and action. because we are all human and human make mistakes so we shouldn't judge ANYONE before hear him first and try to find the true reasons of his actions. sometimes people are shy to explain or don't care to show themselves to others but also we should not create an image about them and take it for granted, because people change, what we think it is right today maybe it will be wrong tomorrow.


unfortunately, there are people in life who believe that they know everything in life, and give themselves the right to judge others and even worse spread their ideas and opinions about them not even stopping and thinking for one second if they are right or wrong or bother themselves of searching for the truth.

maybe i talked a lot till now, but my point is that there is always another truth hidden inside the truth we know. and if we are wise enough we should always not judging people before we dig to know them better and know who are they first. this way we will never be regret.

now really how many of us that actually do that, SEARCH FOR THE TRUTH THAT IS HIDDEN INSIDE EVERY TRUTH IN LIFE???

[OpaQue]

I feel you are talking about us taking effort to filter/analyse/wait/understand/research/think/feel the truth we see or hear and then Re-Acting! I suggest, "asking Questions" / researching to everything you don't understand... till you actually understand. If you still don't understand, Its better you write down your questions and seek a person who you feel can answer your questions.

I feel, Truth is the essence of Perfection. Truth is the REALITY or "absolute knowledge" which comes from experience.

For. Eg. Suppose you are walking on a street and you see a man slapping his wife.
How many WOMEN will actually dare to go to the MAN and STOP him from hitting his wife again? It would be a shame.. if a guy goes first in the crowd to save the women. I personally feel, a women will understand a womens feeling more.. But, now-a-days... people don't want to BOTHER (i.e. take effort) of simply asking "Why". I wonder how many people actually take effort of stopping him and asking "why".

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You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books,
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me,
You shall listen to all sides and filter them from your self.

http://en.wikiquote....Leaves_of_Grass

[web_designer]

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I feel you are talking about us taking effort to filter/analyse/wait/understand/research/think/feel the truth we see or hear and then Re-Acting! I suggest, "asking Questions" / researching to everything you don't understand... till you actually understand. If you still don't understand, Its better you write down your questions and seek a person who you feel can answer your questions.

I feel, Truth is the essence of Perfection. Truth is the REALITY or "absolute knowledge" which comes from experience.

For. Eg. Suppose you are walking on a street and you see a man slapping his wife.
How many WOMEN will actually dare to go to the MAN and STOP him from hitting his wife again? It would be a shame.. if a guy goes first in the crowd to save the women. I personally feel, a women will understand a womens feeling more.. But, now-a-days... people don't want to BOTHER (i.e. take effort) of simply asking "Why". I wonder how many people actually take effort of stopping him and asking "why".

EXACTLY, how many people BOTHER themselves to know the truth and ask why before judging others. in your example, some may assume that the man have the right to do this because she absolutely did something wrong. some may assume she accepts his savage behavior so she deserve it. others may don't either bother themselves to think why.

and i really think being uninterested and not giving opinions better than judging people. because judgment may hurt others, poison the truth, and hide it. in this example, if we assumed that she did something wrong then we actually accusing her and offended her so being silent and do nothing is better than throw wrong ideas here and there. if we don't have the ability to search for THE REAL TRUTH then we should stay silent. or else we will hide it even more than it is already hidden.

[anwiii]

if people were perfect or people understood life fully, there wouldn't be hidden truths. there is a reason for everything even if people don't search out the "why's". when people judge other people without asking the "why's" FIRST are the ones that need the most help because of the "hidden truths" that are sometimes so exciting to figure out or realize.

unfortunately, i had seen a man slap a woman before when i was driving..... but before jumping to conclusions, i decided to park my car and watch how the situation would progress. although slapping a woman is wrong, so could be interfering in what i feel is wrong. thus, i waited and watched when it would have been REALLY easy to jump to my first conclusion to protect.

if people can't be open to the possibilities, how can those same people see any hidden truths or even see a belief that may have a stronger meaning than their own. "hidden truths" are only as realistic or important as one chooses to live their life. to some, there are no hidden truths because they think they may know it all or right in their opinions or beliefs. to others, there will always be hidden truths because they are open enough to see how they may be right or wrong in any situation or at least strive to do so.

most hidden truths lie in the fact that there is usually right and wrong in any situation depending on how you look at the situation but nothing is limited by right or wrong. only by the sacrifices by our own choices when there are certain benefits to any choice. this is what makes life hard at times but helps build character when we can see those hidden truths and make choices based on them.

[OpaQue]

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most hidden truths lie in the fact that there is usually right and wrong in any situation depending on how you look at the situation but nothing is limited by right or wrong.

WOW! What a Quote man.


I think you mean to say.... By sacrificing of our choices, we build a good character.
you deserve a Wisdom Flag for this.

[web_designer]

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most hidden truths lie in the fact that there is usually right and wrong in any situation depending on how you look at the situation but nothing is limited by right or wrong.

WOW! What a Quote man.


I think you mean to say.... By sacrificing of our choices, we build a good character.
you deserve a Wisdom Flag for this.

agree, anwiii always the quote man here, i was looking for his interesting reply, and he never let me down, thanks for your deep opinion anwiii.

and thank you opaque for following this.

now i will add something, THE HIDDEN TRUTH is always find a way to show itself eventually. sooner or later it will show up and make everyone who misjudge others be regret and feel sorry for their opinions. unfortunately, this HIDDEN TRUTH sometimes may take hours, days, months or years to appear depending on the situation that created it. therefore again we should have the wisdom to search for it for help this HIDDEN TRUTH to appear as soon as possible. 

in the other hand, i believe that there is always signs and evidents that the HIDDEN TRUTH is really exist behind the mask of the reality we see, but not everyone could see these signs and have the motivation to look for it. it depends on who we are deep inside us and how we deal with thing in our life. 

[web_designer]

talking about quotes, i have some about truth.

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We do not err because truth is difficult to see. It is visible at a glance. We err because this is more comfortable. ~Alexander Solzhenitsyn

yeah, it is easier for us to say we know the truth and feel good about ourselves than REALLY try to dig and find a more painful one. 

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The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable. ~Attributed to James A. Garfield

sadly, yes, we don't trouble ourselves to find the hidden truth because we are afraid of getting hurt.

[web_designer]

i was talking to a friend last night, and he thought that there is only one truth that stands only on evidents. 

but i really disagreed with him, because truth has many faces to show up with, in so many way but the its core is one. and we should search for that core and not take only what we see. nowadays there are many evidents that prove something in life but after many months or maybe years, another truth will show up, and also stands on new evidents. why is that? because there are people who searched more behind these evidents and found a hidden truth inside this truth. so do we really should take everything we see as granted and accept it just because there are some evidents to prove it??

i really believe that even if the truth is supported by evidents, but if i thought it is unreasonable then i won't accept it. i prefer search more till i find the truth that convinced me.

so any one agree with me here?

[OpaQue]

Yes, ultimately.. time and effort are the only two things that will determine how close you are to the Hidden Truth you wish to seek. Humans will give you lot of opinions about any subject you wish to know more about (evidents). But these evidents are needed by us to learn the bigger picture ... faster. We have 5 senses and intelligence to analyze evidents for truth. Evidents which can be seen or experienced through your senses can be said to be "close" to The Truth.

Regardless the scope of your subject (of truth), you can easily pin point the core of the truth and it is possible, to reach the ONE truth (like your friend thought). However, if your subject is an "experience", then there is no way to learn the HIDDEN truth other than going ahead and experiencing it.

However, there is also another question that arises, why do you wish to seek the HIDDEN truth? Is it because you want to know everything about something?
Understand, what you are truly seeking... is to eradicate some ignorance about something.

Most of the times, your true relation about the Truth can be found within yourself than elsewhere.

[web_designer]

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However, there is also another question that rises, why do you wish to seek the truth? Most of the times, your true relation about the Truth can be found within yourself than elsewhere.

i always seek for the real truth in my life, the hidden truth of people, the hidden truth of religion, the hidden truth of tradition, habits or behaviors. and always the truth behind the masks is very interesting to know. this way i can judge and make decisions without regretting and in the same time i get more experience and knowledge of life.

as you mentioned, the first place i should search for the truth is within me. what i believe and what i understand about certain things. but still this can be done only if that truth related to me, if not, then  i should search in the real life. and that is even more harder i think.

[OpaQue]

web_designer, on 24 June 2010 - 05:28 PM, said:

As you mentioned, the first place i should search for the truth is within me. what i believe and what i understand about certain things. but still this can be done only if that truth related to me, if not, then i should search in the real life. and that is even more harder i think.

i suggest - meditation or "talking to yourself"

[web_designer]

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i suggest - meditation or "talking to yourself"

ARE YOU SERIOUS, i am not going nuts yet, you know  .

now really, meditation is what i do all my life,  i could sit and travel with my thoughts for hours, so why do you think i always burn my food   . but talking to myself, no. not yet, when i reach this level, i will know that i am loosing my mind, hahahaa.

i always like, to sit in a garden with a cup of latte or hot chocolate where the breeze is cold and refreshing, and think deeply about many things in my life, people i know, things happened, dreams, hopes, anything that could pass in my mind. and believe it or not, i always find out new facts or get a new explanation.

[anwiii]

that's not meditation, wd.....that is called day dreaming....

[web_designer]

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that's not meditation, wd.....that is called day dreaming....

well maybe, but i do find a lot of answers when i relax like that and think anwiii, and that helped me many times before. 

[OpaQue]

Have you read "The Power of Now?" This book gives a good view about meditation.
http://en.wikipedia....he_Power_of_Now

[web_designer]

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Have you read "The Power of Now?" This book gives a good view about meditation.
http://en.wikipedia....he_Power_of_Now

thanks for suggesting that to me opaque, it really looks a good book. i will put it on my schedule to read it as soon as i can. but tell me, did you really read that book, or just know about it?

[OpaQue]

web_designer, on 26 June 2010 - 06:18 PM, said:

thanks for suggesting that to me opaque, it really looks a good book. i will put it on my schedule to read it as soon as i can. but tell me, did you really read that book, or just know about it?

I am sort of .. a fan of this guy. I have read the book, know what he is talking and also watched a few of his videos. He makes a lot of sense, atleast to me.

[web_designer]

searching for the hidden truth is one of the hardest things to do, why??
because we should have enough wisdom to ignore our true emotions like anger or hate or even love sometimes to fine the truth that we suspect it may found under covers.

the truth is, how many people really pay attention to waste their time and dirt their hand and dig for the hidden truth under dust???

how many people pay attention to not do any actions or say any words before knowing the whole truth first??

i really think they are only few who could do that.because it requires a lot of strength to hide our true feelings till we find the truth. therefore going judging others and not paying attention of what we say and do before finding the truth is always the best and the fast way to lose others and ruin relationships.

[anwiii]

web_designer, on 13 August 2010 - 08:56 AM, said:

the truth is, how many people really pay attention to waste their time and dirt their hand and dig for the hidden truth under dust???

yea, it could be hiding under all that mud i was going to throw you in to?

well, i think the hidden truths are like a puzzle, ultimately, i think there is one truth when one can fit all the pieces together. at the same time, there are many hidden truths that create those pieces. with so many people in the world, with so many pieces of truths, the differences in everyone's lives is actually what makes the world go round and create a balance.

personally, i think the hidden truths aren't hidden at all. only to those who have their eyes closed and it's really an amazing experience to walk in life with eyes open, gaining more realizations than you had the day before, putting those pieces together and understand life a little better than you did. making us wiser, but stronger, and baking us better people for it.

and then again, we are all human. what are we all supposed to know anyway :)everything? some things? what things?

[mahesh2k]

Meditation helps you play with subconscious mind. It doesn't let you know what's going on in reality. You can only play with your actions inside mind in order to align them so that you get relaxation. It does nothing more than that. Our reality is restricted by how we perceive the world,so meditation is not the way we should perceive the world because using meditation to perceive the world is like movie inception. Meditation doesn't let us view or see what are the actions that are going on around us while we're meditating(if anyone is saying they can know truth with help of meditation and mere playing with thoughts in relaxation then it's false).

What is truth and how it is mixed with other things is dependent on perception.

[web_designer]

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yea, it could be hiding under all that mud i was going to throw you in to?

well, i think the hidden truths are like a puzzle, ultimately, i think there is one truth when one can fit all the pieces together. at the same time, there are many hidden truths that create those pieces. with so many people in the world, with so many pieces of truths, the differences in everyone's lives is actually what makes the world go round and create a balance.

personally, i think the hidden truths aren't hidden at all. only to those who have their eyes closed and it's really an amazing experience to walk in life with eyes open, gaining more realizations than you had the day before, putting those pieces together and understand life a little better than you did. making us wiser, but stronger, and baking us better people for it.

and then again, we are all human. what are we all supposed to know anyway :)everything? some things? what things?

yeah hidden truth may be hidden in mud, therefor not many people prefer to dirt their hand to dig the mud i think, for me, i prefer wearing gloves first .

and i agree with you truth is like a puzzle we put a piece every time we know something about that one, or his background we add a piece to that puzzle. therefore we may sometimes suspect someone of doing something. but even when all the evidences are against him, but we feel like he is innocent. why??
because we already know a lot about that one, we put all the pieces of his puzzle together and still only few, so we could predict the result what should be. and this knowledge comes from being care to search for the truth about a someone, whereas there are many may don't even care to see the result of that puzzle or even put the pieces together, they took things as they see. and this is a complete wrong, as you said those people walking in life with closed eyes.

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(if anyone is saying they can know truth with help of meditation and mere playing with thoughts in relaxation then it's false).

i agree with you, meditation is not the key for finding the truth. but it could be a direct effect on the way we find or search for the truth. meditation helps people to relax, and gets controlling on themselves and balancing the over flow of emotions. and this will help people making right decisions and searching for the truth with open eyes, not being confused with all our bad energy. if we were angry or hurt, we mostly take wrong decisions, say the wrong things and do the wrong actions that may affect others in a negative way or hurt them. if we could find a way to relax before doing anything then we could control and take time to find the right answers we are looking for.

[mahesh2k]

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i agree with you, meditation is not the key for finding the truth. but it could be a direct effect on the way we find or search for the truth. meditation helps people to relax, and gets controlling on themselves and balancing the over flow of emotions. and this will help people making right decisions and searching for the truth with open eyes, not being confused with all our bad energy. if we were angry or hurt, we mostly take wrong decisions, say the wrong things and do the wrong actions that may affect others in a negative way or hurt them. if we could find a way to relax before doing anything then we could control and take time to find the right answers we are looking for.

Meditation helps you stabilize your mind. Meditation has nothing to do with good or bad energy. Good or bad energy is fictitious. For example, if you find person like hitler meditating what you'll call it ? I mean his actions were against humanity (for the killing part) but rest of things are perfectly normal. There is nothing like good or bad energy it's what our actions and it's perception in mind makes it feel so because we're here to keep humanity alive.

It's also important to get angry sometimes otherwise you'll lose many things which you're using for self-defense. Angerless life is only possible for those who have nothing to lose not even their life. Our action like anger is sometimes unwanted but not always. Besides things can't be always good or the way it should be if we do meditation. Meditation puts our mind in loop that tells us to stay in sanity, do good have fun. But things around us doesn't work like that and so our actions differ. Meditation is not the path to know answers but it's path which knows what is the output by doing certain things. It's like a loop that knows what will happen if we take certain actions repeatedly and pretend to be good or do good.

You may or may not be agree with me on this but this is what i observed from skeptic social bloggers like seth godin on this topic.

[web_designer]

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You may or may not be agree with me on this but this is what i observed from skeptic social bloggers like seth godin on this topic.

if i agreed or not, i will always admire your opinion mahesh or anyone else in here. because the main idea of this forums is sharing ideas and opinions. when we do that we exchange knowledge and information. so thank you for replying.