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[web_designer]

i think the new layout now with the dark blue background is much better than before, you did a good job by using the ingredient here and there to give it this look, BUT even the white color fits the blue but it kind you over used it in way that makes the words "a quest of wisdom through knowledge" lost with the overall design. in other words they are not showing clearly and hard to read correctly. and becuse the word "knowledge" in different color with a curve way, made things much more harder to look clean.

the same is said for the logo "trap17", you made the sub heder in three different fonts and in three and i think in two or three ingredient of white color, nd this makes the over all look in a mess.

and i really can't understand the reason of using trap17 in the front page when you suppose you changed it to knowledgesutra??? it makes thing confusing right there.

any way, my suggestions as a designer are:
- make the binary digits (0,1) more transparent to reduce the elements stand out from the background and to not ffect the writing above it.
- make all the logos (mysql,google,cpanel,jquery...ect) fade more and give them a shiny blue effect when hover, and try to make them smaller or add some space between them and the knowledgesutra writing.
- fix the logo of the header to contain two fonts one for the header and one for the subheader, and i think it should be "knowledgesutra" not trap17. and if you want to inform others about the change of the name, just add a few words in the main body with a link about the whole story .

and another word about the java script or jquery of the menu effect, it doesn't work properly, here is what i got in opera after click on it twice or three times



as you can see, there is a cut edges left from the left side in ugly way. and notice that the (linux, microsoft..ect) all that line is hiding behind the menu tab. while it looks fine in firefox, looks like this



hope that helps, good luck.

[OpaQue]

@BANIBOY : Go and Eat something... you really are STARVING as your MOOD suggests.. Help, only you if can. else, you are free to keep quiet. Don't act like Anwii.

@WD: Thanks. You are right, putting Trap17 in the main page makes no sense now I will focus mainly on KS and its services.. As for the W3C Logo, I will get it removed as I see no point of why its there.

[Baniboy]

Hah, kinda funny. Instead of addressing the real issues, you address my mood. MOOD. I tried to help earlier but you didn't take it, so do me a favor and don't act like you're listening and playing calm. I'm raging about the most simple things even someone new to web design would know but which you seem to ignore. And no I won't keep quiet, get used to it. Address real issues and fix things instead of talking about my mood, make layouts for the guest forum, all the while when your users are disappearing. And maybe then I wouldn't complain. I won't keep quiet because you don't like to hear the truth.

Edited by Baniboy, 14 August 2011 - 04:16 PM.

[anwiii]

OpaQue, on 14 August 2011 - 06:51 AM, said:

Don't act like Anwii.

hey now. i have yet to say much about your new additions except that i have supported them. if you are talking about complaining, when have i ever had an invalid complaint? start a topic so we can discuss it....otherwise, don't make false accusations towards me or i might be inclined to complain about my last run in with your staff which i thought i would let go.

i don't complain just to complain. also, if you don't want suggestions, don't ask for them. bani is stating his opinion

plus- i am one of a kind. don't ever compare others to me

[velma]

I think you guys need to give Opa a freaking break! Somehow I doubt anything Opa does now will please you guys. WD, thank you so much for your helpful feedback, I seriously appreciate you taking out the time for this . Bani, instead of raging on and on about how Opa is not DOING THIS & DOING THAT, care to expand in points what is not being done?

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i might be inclined to complain about my last run in with your staff which i thought i would let go.

Open a new topic in the vent section if you wish to, please avoid adding it here

Despite this being the vent where you are allowed to rant as you please, try to remember that you CAN be a little more polite.

[Baniboy]

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care to expand in points what is not being done?

What is not being done? Didn't you read the opening post? Didn't you read my reply and complaints about what hadn't been done? Why are you asking this? I wrote it, all you have to do is read. All he had to do was read. But no, "let's change the background image and ask for feedback (that we don't really want), it's not like there were complaints about other things". Even the most obvious mistakes he was notified about hadn't been fixed and it didn't look like he was going to fix them either, that's why I complain. That is what HE IS NOT DOING. And I can USE CAPS LOCK TOO, YOU KNOW. -.-

If you really want to know, just read. As I don't like to repeat myself. That is what I complained about. He doesn't listen... or actually it's "read" but whatever. I'm surprised that you asked, because I thought that you would've read. Seems like you didn't. I shouldn't have to "expand in points" when I'm pointing to simple, technical issues that can be fixed without any philosophical thought put to it. At least that's what I was doing in the beginning.

But this conversation doesn't matter since Shree obviously puts no effort in listening to his members if they complain and notify him about his or his staff's dumb mistakes.

Edited by Baniboy, 16 August 2011 - 12:16 PM.

[anwiii]

how the hell am i being dragged in to this?!?!? first opa and now you? what the hell is wrong with both of you.....leave me outta this conversation or i am gonna get pissed. this is my last warning

[velma]

Sorry Anwii, this topic has turned into a mosh pit and sorry for dragging you into it, I just replied to what you said lol. Bani, go through your own posts and you'll see that only one or two posts (including your opening rant) are the only valid posts related to this topic. The rest are merely non-sensical rants about how OpaQue has done nothing and you did it again with your latest post. I didn't ask you to expand anything, you pointed out how obvious things were not fixed but you didn't mention what those obvious things are. If you wanted to really help, you would have been a little bit more productive like the other members especially web designer.

And how are you so sure that the designer is doing nothing about the front page? Have you spoken to either Shree or the designer about the layout? Did you ask him about the number of hours the designer has put or has not put into the layout? Your rants are clearly a reflection of your ignorance since you do not know about what is happening behind the scenes and when asked for feedback, you get defensive and refuse to divulge with any valid information. Your pissy attitude is not helping us whatsoever. If you can take out the time to type out lines of how you ain't gonna repeat yourself, then I am pretty sure you can take out the time to give at least 5 brief one lined bullet points of the pending mistakes/complaints.

As for the intro, it isn't like visitors are being forced into watching it, the ones who do have the patience will like/dislike it. The others have the option to simply not bother with it. So how is it still a big deal? For consistency sake, the layout is blue, the trap logo is smaller in size, the nocatch is gone, every css error reported or noticed by the designer has been corrected. He is working on the latest batch of feedback regarding the w3c logo and the menu bar.He fixed the tiling issue that was reported in the earlier posts.

OpaQue is doing everything he can to be his old self on the forums whether you believe it or not.So seriously, either put in some valid on topic feedback or don't bother reading the topic or replying to it since you are so sure no one is listening. Personally speaking, if you keep up the unnecessary ranting, any good feedback hidden in your rant would lose its value.

[Baniboy]

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Anyway, after you finish trying to read the confusing crap that is the front page, you can either "see intro" or "skip intro". So let's say I'm a new visitor and I somehow manage to see those links and decide to view the intro. What do you get? A flash intro.

This is fixed now. Except for the flash intro. I'm saying no confusing flash intro with links splashing in multiple sites and directions because it's confusing and pretty useless to anyone trying to browse it. If I came searching for free hosting and saw something about how the company leaders are "loving and respecting a person that totally accepts himself" or other gibberish like that, I would leave. So would most people. Something like "get free hosting by posting on knowledgesutra forums" would be useful. But no... it's not like the visitor should get the information they were looking for.

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Just go and visit that page. After you choose to view the intro, you have to press one more button to actually view it.

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Animations for the menu, animations for bringing the content forth, animations for most links (I mean animations that don't even let you see the link properly while you hover over them) and the stupidest decision of them all: background music. There is also a fullscreen button in case some idiot decides that the page is too beautiful to be browsed with the browser part visible.

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(ALL CAPS, OF COURSE, ANYTHING ELSE MIGHT MAKE THE VISITOR STAY).

Anyway, since editing flash may be annoying, I pass on these. I say delete the whole thing and make an introductory paragraph with good info on the front page.

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1. And attachments aren't working for me, but I'm using Opera. Though since Opera is pretty standards-compliant, I don't see the reason why they shouldn't work on it.

2. I don't get how you've gotten this magnificent idea that you should scatter your company into 5+ domains. It's really useless. And you give unnecessary links in the "main links" section too. Is it to fill space or something? Why would someone need "latest posts", just put "enter forums" and that'll be it.

3. Also, it causes a bug in Opera where the menu goes even lower and causes the background image to replicate. But I guess you don't care much about browser compliance, otherwise you would've tested it. The trap17 is still huge and no other changes made. Basically you only added a menu that isn't easily noticeable, and you also added more Javascript.

4. Anyway, when I enter the "lite version", there's a box telling me my global geographical coordinates. I mean, is this really necessary? Do you just want to add useless stuff for fun or why is it there? Surely a visitor knows where they are without you informing them with extra JavaScript?

5. The layout is ugly and stupid. In every logical sense possible, every element is exactly where it shouldn't be.

And by that last one I meant I the positioning of the logo and the menus.
Yes, I did only report poor web design in about 2-3 posts. The rest were trying to explain to wd where the links are found, one of which you deleted and one that stays, the second is me asking about the specifics on the work being done, the second is me doubting if things will actually get fixed, third one my doubts had come true (surprise surprise), fourth one replying to Shree when he told me how he doesn't like to hear negative feedback, then you complaining and pretending to make sense. Are you happy now? All you had to do was go back and read. Gee...

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So seriously, either put in some valid on topic feedback or don't bother reading the topic or replying to it since you are so sure no one is listening.

You're not in a position to tell me what I can read. I reply when I'm replied to. It's my thread, don't bother replying if you think I don't make sense. IT'S THE VENT.

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For consistency sake, the layout is blue, the trap logo is smaller in size, the nocatch is gone, every css error reported or noticed by the designer has been corrected.

http://validator.w3....=Inline&group=0
I wasn't talking about CSS errors other than the tiling. Neither did rvalkass, he was talking about XHTML ERRORS on a page that has an "XHTML APPROVED"-logo on it. Those 32 errors have not gone. Not saying that those are important ones as most of them are probably because the coder hadn't adapted xhtml. Leaving the alts and br's like that, poor coding.

There is also an "IS NOW"-text above the logo, the page title still has "trap17" as its first word, and "knowledge" in the subheader looks really stealth. And the page still doesn't have any way of telling a visitor what the site is actually about on the front page whatsoever. Some of the company logos don't make sense either. Why is there a microsoft logo? Is microsoft a xisto partner? Is jQuery a xisto partner? Does xisto offer jQuery? Was the designer just trying to fill space?

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If you wanted to really help, you would have been a little bit more productive like the other members especially web designer.

Other members? You, me, wd, shree, rob and shadowx are the only ones that have replied to this thread. Rob, wd and shadowx are the only ones that gave feedback. Wd's suggestion about the logo being weird and color inconsistency were what I reported before, plus the design comments, shadowx was even more pissed off than I was, rob reported the color, xhtml errors and the logo. What got fixed? The colors and the logo (somewhat). And the xhtml logo is apparently being fixed. What else? Enlighten me. And no, of course I didn't want to help, I was only complaining about stupid mistakes to kill time.

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you get defensive and refuse to divulge with any valid information. Your pissy attitude is not helping us whatsoever.

Instead of reading, you complain about me being reluctant to divulge valid information. This is also not helping "you". Then you complain about me venting. I complained because the issues that had been complained about before had not been addressed.

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Personally speaking, if you keep up the unnecessary ranting, any good feedback hidden in your rant would lose its value.

It's not like I'm shouting in their face and making them cry and not listen to my points. It's stupid to put the main menu at the bottom of the page, and if you can't "personally speaking" look behind the word "stupid" and the point loses value, then I personally speaking don't value your way of reading and evaluating the value of points. It's the vent, not the suggestions and feedback forum. Mainly because I didn't expect to get replies from Shree so I was positively surprised for a moment before the disappointment.

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And how are you so sure that the designer is doing nothing about the front page? Have you spoken to either Shree or the designer about the layout? Did you ask him about the number of hours the designer has put or has not put into the layout? Your rants are clearly a reflection of your ignorance since you do not know about what is happening behind the scenes

Well, something like changing the position of an element doesn't take hours unless you're dealing with huge amounts of code. The page contains a menu and a background image, after all. My rants are a reflection of sheer disappointment of me visiting the front page. I can't be ignorant about what is happening behind the scenes since I do not know what is happening there, thus I'm not able to be willfully ignorant about something that I don't know of.

[OpaQue]

I have changed the top header to Knowledgesutra and removed Trap17 completely.

I added a intro message to clear out the concept at KnowledgeSutra.

I have fixed the codes to validate it at w3c