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[k_nitin_r]

I did not really know that Peta did have some material on their website and some campaigns targeted at vegetarianism too. I saw a post on their Twitter feed promoting eating meat from family farms instead of factory farms and when I replied to it asking why they promote eating meat, they stated that they are not against vegetarianism but for people who will not give up their meat, they suggest sourcing the meat from less cruel places of animal breeding. I see it as a weak stance toward vegetarianism and veganism, and as long as someone is promoting meat, irrespective of whether it is factory-farmed or it comes from a family-farm, it isn't vegetarianism. Promoters of vegetarianism would not ask anyone to eat meat, period.

I wonder if anyone finds it controversial when peta activists go to school and tell the school children that their mothers are murderers for feeding them meat. I'm sure that the school has had at least one complaint by some of the parents for having peta activists go to their childrens' schools and making such a statement. I can just about imagine one of the kids going home to tell their mothers, "Mommy, mommy, a nice lady came to class today and told us that you are a murderer." I guess the idea of making such statements in school is only controversial if it is targeted at younger kids because the older kids would get the message while the younger ones may focus on the bit that labels their mothers as axe-weilding murderers who sneak into their rooms at night and sharpen their axes before chopping off the heads of the kids, leaving the kids terrified at the sight of their mothers standing in the kitchen with a knife in a hand, even if it was for cutting up the vegatables or for chopping meat - see why I think it is controversial when saying that to kids?

Describing animals as gentle creatures is marketing gimmick. When you want to promote an animal cause, the animal cruelty prevention agencies want to suggest that these are poor defenseless animals that are so cute and they have these innocent faces that people ought to feel sorry for each time a butcher brings down a chopping knife down on their necks as blood drips down their bodies and they fall to the ground lifeless. You may even find some commercials showing you that the animals have families of their own and just when they were cuddling with their young, BAM! An axe comes down on the poor animal's neck and another creature there is left an orphan, or perhaps an animal has to watch its own 'child' (calf, kid, or whatever, as the case may be) die at the hands of a brutal axe-murdering butcher. On the other hand, if you were to portray animals as cruel bulls charging toward a bull fighters, they would hardly get any sympathy. Everyone thinks of bulls as these psychotic beings that charge at the sight of a bull-fighter wearing red boxers or briefs and this poor bull-fighter almost gets impaled right in his bottom when somebody else jumps in to rescue and they stick a spear into the back of the bull. The bull, in severe pain, but still unwilling to go down, turns around and comes charging back at the rescuer-turned-bullfighter and just when it comes charging down along, beating its hooves into the dust and speeding toward him, a spear hurtles through the sky and pierces the skull of the bull, splattering some blood onto the ground then eventually turning brown as the dust dissolves into drops of the bright red fluid and the crowd cheers the hero (the bull-fighter, not the bull). See what is wrong with this picture? It draws people's sympathy for humans and tends to label animals as these brutal creatures that know no love and are out to take over the world like in the adventures of Pinky and Brain. Pinky and Brain still do seem a little cute because they are always unsuccessful but when you read reports of just one single bull that manages to get its horns into a bullfighter, there goes away all the sympathy for animals and a new-found hatred for all animals alike emerges. You can't really blame the celebrities for saying the things that they do because all they do is get paid to read their scripts, at least in most cases. Unscripted, things that the celebrities say may not be suitable for airing on television either because the message is not convincing enough or because the message gets through in a rather distorted manner; I am not saying that there are no celebrities out there who go impromptu - some do but most don't - so I am not generalizing about what celebrities do and what celebrities do not.

[velma]

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Keeping animals in small cages like the kind you keep rabbits in may seem like animal cruelty but when animals are kept in large cages with enough space for them to move about, it is not really as cruel. If you look at the size of the tanks used at Sea World, the killer whales and dolphins get to go about the tank unless they are performing. When performing, they have the whole tank to themselves. Are they being trained to perform as circus performers have to? Yes. Do they have a say in what they get to do and where they get to go? No. But they do get their meals regularly so they no longer have to hunt for food and they have a safe environment within which they can interact with other living beings, they get medical attention when they are sick, and the people who look after them do not use cattle prods or anything similar to cause pain or injury to the animals.

In a way you could say that the animals are earning their own food even if they aren't hunting for it since people do pay money to see them perform, the same money is utilized for their well being and the overall well being of the park so I really see nothing wrong with them performing since they are well maintained. In a really sad way, circuses work in the same way.

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Velma,

The Parel hospital in Mumbai is probably just a temporary place for shelter and treatment of animals. I believe the animals are then released into the wild or are adopted by other owners or organizations. The veterinary clinics that are set up in the rural areas cater to the needs of cattle, though in some cases people keep elephants as cattle too, and may occasionally deal with other wild animals that were maimed or have falled sick.

Nope, many animals are dumped there for good since who would want to buy a stringy, straggly & sickly animal even if they were to be auctioned? And the organizations that take them in? Hah! they are as bad as Parel. The problem lies in the administrative sector of the hospital, NGO and so on, vets passing out of Parel are either stupid or smart, the stupid ones rely on Parel hospital or other government agencies to appoint them WHILE the smart ones end up opening their own clinics shunning any charity since that would eat into their profits. I've been around these vets, trust me.. The ones out for making money are hypocrites who "support the cause" but in reality will do nothing that would involve them spending money. And yeah, the same stupid race that passes out of the college are the ones who manage the veterinary clinics in villages.. How lucky are those animals.. eh?

Many vets indulge in acts of cruelty with malpractice and inexperienced help... If i were to jab your dog wrong and it yelled out in genuine pain.. You would assume that your dog is being a drama queen since the vet knows better and has been doing it longer... I have seen help from another clinic kill an old dog by administering fluid therapy too fast (the heart & lungs of an old dog cannot withstand a fast drip session.. It has to be slow or super slow). The moron was in a rush to run home so he pushed in the fluid far too fast for the dog's heart to handle, she died a few minutes after the therapy.. The vet convinced the owners that it was because "she was already too old" >_> That my friend is the other side to animal cruelty.

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While I was searching these out for you, I even watched the video by Paul MCartney, gosh what a crock of hog wash. Describing cows as "gentle?" Good grief. I get so tired of these stupid celebraties who have never been anywhere near the business end of a cow sitting there telling us about how they are such wonderful, gentle creatures. I can say with fair certainty that old Paul has never been cow kicked. I do also find it rather insulting that they compare a 3 year old human child to a pig. The video was filled with misinformation and outright lies.
Have to admit, I do prefer the way our local butcher does our occasional steer. He comes to the farm, we put out some feed for the steer, he puts his head down to eat and pop he gets a 22 cal in the head, all 4 feet jerk up off the ground and he hits the ground with a thump and it's all over. Never even twitches.

Celebrities are the tooth fairies of the adult world We use them to sugar a lot of pain and gory truth. I've been kicked by a cow and another has lifted me by the horns.. Petite people are not designed to be kicked and picked up by cows But I still love them and would not hurt them.. Saying that no amount of bonding and "gentle loving" can stop me from eating my occasional meat since the places I eat get their meat from organic farms. And I don't think a kid or adult would want to see the way your butcher puts down a cow.. Sure it would stop them from ever eating meat but I bet it will start some uber weird psychological complex in them

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I did not really know that Peta did have some material on their website and some campaigns targeted at vegetarianism too. I saw a post on their Twitter feed promoting eating meat from family farms instead of factory farms and when I replied to it asking why they promote eating meat, they stated that they are not against vegetarianism but for people who will not give up their meat, they suggest sourcing the meat from less cruel places of animal breeding. I see it as a weak stance toward vegetarianism and veganism, and as long as someone is promoting meat, irrespective of whether it is factory-farmed or it comes from a family-farm, it isn't vegetarianism. Promoters of vegetarianism would not ask anyone to eat meat, period.

This is clearly a diplomatic move or maybe the last drop of sanity left in their organization.. You cannot openly say "Either you stay vegetarian or accept you are a murderer", such lines could get you in a really big pile of trouble .And I appreciate them not forcing vegetarianism down people's throats, if someone were to do that, I'd call them a fanatic/cult

[rpgsearcherz]

sheepdog, on 28 November 2011 - 02:43 AM, said:

Actually this is not the case. PETA does very much promote the vegan lifestyle. MANY pages of their web site are dedicated to convincing people to convert to being vegetarian. They have had in the past several different programs into which they go into schools and preach to children, telling them their mothers are murderers if they feed them meat.

Here are just a few examples.
http://features.peta...rianStarterKit/
At this one they try to get you to sign up to become a vegetarian for 30 days.

http://www.peta.org/...ally-vegan.aspx
http://www.peta.org/...od/default.aspx
http://www.peta.org/...sm&PETAOrTags=0
This one is particularly enlightening, it's their frequently asked questions where they include one page to how anyone who is pro life (anti abortion) should be vegetarian since they should not want to promote human life and not animal life. There are lots of other pages too, including some where you can purchase their cookbooks etc, but you can pretty much be all have a "please make a dontation to us" button.

While I was searching these out for you, I even watched the video by Paul MCartney, gosh what a crock of hog wash. Describing cows as "gentle?" Good grief. I get so tired of these stupid celebraties who have never been anywhere near the business end of a cow sitting there telling us about how they are such wonderful, gentle creatures. I can say with fair certainty that old Paul has never been cow kicked. I do also find it rather insulting that they compare a 3 year old human child to a pig. The video was filled with misinformation and outright lies.

Have to admit, I do prefer the way our local butcher does our occasional steer. He comes to the farm, we put out some feed for the steer, he puts his head down to eat and pop he gets a 22 cal in the head, all 4 feet jerk up off the ground and he hits the ground with a thump and it's all over. Never even twitches.

We actually had a talk about PETA not too long ago in RIFT (a game) and I questioned their stance on meat. People stated that they feel "meat is murder." So you're right on what you said, .