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Not every people in this world believe in science. Every one as there own methods of defining creation.
Then they are simply wrong, it is that simple. Reality is not democratic - reality doesn't change just because you think it does or want it to. What we measure is real. The predictions and achievements of science are REAL. If someone believes that science is wrong then let them show THEIR model and I am willing to bet a large amount that it will be demolished.
People somehow seem to think that their opinion is important in science, or with regard to what is true. It is a phenomenon sometimes called Post Modernism or relativism and it is advanced by moral idiots and scientific ignoramuses.
Science is not 'just the laws of nature'. Science is the philosophy, the method we use to find out and investigate those laws. The scientific method is what science is.
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But that is a gradual progression of our own ignorance to our own development of mind.
No it isn't. Our brains have been this big for tens or hundreds of thousands of years. We barely developed at all for a huge part of that. Then the Greeks took civilisation to a height and the Church knocked it down and kept it down for 1500 years so that by the 16th century we knew less about the universe than the Greeks did in 400 BCE,
What do we call the period when the church had absolute rule in Europe - say 1st Century CE to 1500CE? We call it the DARK AGES. What do we call the arrival of critical thinking and the resulting exposion in the arts, philosophy, literature? We call it the Enlightenment. The more religion retreats the better. The most ethical countries in the world are the most secular - the Nordic countries for example. The most morally bankrupt places on earth are highly religious. Just about any islamic state can be used as an example. Living standards have risen with the march of science and the retreat of primitive superstitions. Look around the world. Who is killing and why? Religion everywhere you look. What is modern 'civilised' Western religion doing? Telling Africans that condoms will give them AIDS and that it is better to die of AIDS than burn in hell for using a condom. Meanwhile many of it's clergy raped young boys in their care and their bishops were busy telling people not to tell the parents or the police on pain of excommunication, with the current Pope - Ratzinger - busy writing to Bishops telling them that they could not talk to anyone except the Vatican about the matter, again on pain of excommunication. Yet people kiss his ring and cry-out his name in reverence instead of putting him in a cell where he belongs.
Rghteousness? Don't make me laugh.
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Show me a moderate Muslim and I'll show you someone who was screaming for people to be murdered for writing a book or drawing a cartoon. Even that most genteel and civilised religion - so laid back it can scarecely be called a religion, (The Church of England) with priests who are openly atheists, what are they doing? Debating if their bigotry towards homosexuals will continue for a few more decades. Deciding whether it is finally time to end the inherent sexism of the institution. Proposing that britian might need to consider Sharia Law to appease Muslims. In the most technologically advanced society in the world over half the population have been persuaded that the world is a few thousand years old, that evolution is 'just a theory', that the world will end in the next 30 years or so, that they will rise into the sky and watch the destruction of all the non-Christians. They BELIEVE THIS CRAP. That is what religion does, it turns what should be modern intelligent people into bronze-age morons.
Righteousness? I'm tempted to think you must be having a joke.
A pox on all religion.
Progress has come with science and because of science. That is the reason pure and simple.
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Silicon is an element gifted to us by our mother nature. If you look at the structure of silicon,it has got no free outer electrons to move between atoms so it isn't a good conductor of electricity.But by changing its nature a little bit through doping i.e by adding a little bit of foreign atoms we make p-type or n-type semiconductors and we successfully change its electrical conductivity property.So you see we are transforming the very things we got from nature.
I know a fair amount about doping thanks and it requires no God. You keep asserting that Nature created this and nature created that as if Nature is a 'thing'. Nature is just the laws of physics. We have silicon because it is one of the elements that form in stars under high compression and temperature. No God required. Silicon has it's particular conduction propeties because of the electron structure which is understood and predicted by quantum mechanics - no God required. Doping creates and fills charge 'holes' and causes quantum tunnelling - no God required.
We have stars because our universe eventually cooled from an initial state and matter condensed. No God required. The only role for any possible creator would be in starting the big bang. Everything else is better explained by science without introducing sky-fairies. And now we have scientific models for the 'start' which make even the role of Big bang 'starter' un-necessary - no God required.
As science has moved on, the space for God has shrunk until he now clings on by a divine fingernail. it is time, for the sanity of the species, that he let go.
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Pardon me Sir but religion hasn't stopped the progress of science.Religion just makes us follow the path of righteousness.
If you really believe that then you really need to read some history. You have heard of Galileo I take it? Would you like a list of early thinkers that the church murdered, the books they banned? the discussions they ruled to be out of order or heretical?
Edited by Bikerman, 07 May 2012 - 06:58 AM.
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